ASUS AMD Beta BIOS Releases

[hokiealumnus]

If I were to disable LLC on my board since there is no 50% I'd be looking at 1.565v idle and 1.51v ish load for 4.3...that is 3D/game stable...LLC on I can set 1.481v and get 1.51v load...

Aye, that's what I do. 1.368 idle / 1.416 load @ 4.0 GHz on an 1100T. As long as the voltages are accurate and controlled (i.e. LLC doesn't introduce some instantaneous spike that it shouldn't), I'm curious as to why it's a bad thing. Lower voltage most of the time seems good to me.

[chew*]

What do you mean no droop can cause damage?

You disable llc for the cpu, like in the older bios even, and voltage level's are lower.
But there is less flutuation.
You mean to say this can damage the cpu in some way? (even at lower levels?)

I ran my board like that for 2 days.... :|
And that was RIGHT around the time my setup started to act up...
Pretty darn close, 48hrs within the time my setup was acting up "I think".
If not maybe 2 weeks absolute tops, but still close to the time my system became completely unstable.

I can understand the 50%.
With it you could keep a halfway low vcore level, and the droop would be less then 100%.

Am I making any sense lol?

What's wrong with say disabling llc completely, and just upping the vcore until it's stable again?, that will damage the cpu somehow?
I hope not...

From my experience it seems I needed more vcore with it disabled.
But it fluctuated less, some things acted a bit better but alot of stuff acted like my vcore was to low.
Since it was easier to get things running stable at lower voltages with it enabled I switched back.

Realy guys you don't have to believe me......... Read the white papers for intel or AMD.......

LLC option is out of spec end of story. They obviously have there reasons.

Use it with caution.

I merely suggest 50% for air, obviously if your on ln2 you really have no concerns for the cpu so blast away...also even at 100% at the top end on ln2 there is still a tad droop which is good.

In the end its your chip however, fell free to blast it with 100% LLC on air

a little droop is not a bad thing, no droop is bad.

Nothing wrong with not using LLC but it will be harder to get higher clocks stable without using excessive volts at least with the majority of asus boards I have used.

Take into consideration I am the one that requested these options, I am very familiar how they will effect the board or cpu

[charged3800z24]

Realy guys you don't have to believe me......... Read the white papers for intel or AMD.......

LLC option is out of spec end of story. They obviously have there reasons.

Use it with caution.

I merely suggest 50% for air, obviously if your on ln2 you really have no concerns for the cpu so blast away...also even at 100% at the top end on ln2 there is still a tad droop which is good.

In the end its your chip however, fell free to blast it with 100% LLC on air

a little droop is not a bad thing, no droop is bad.

Nothing wrong with not using LLC but it will be harder to get higher clocks stable without using excessive volts at least with the majority of asus boards I have used.

Take into consideration I am the one that requested these options, I am very familiar how they will effect the board or cpu

Chew*, I think I am confused now, lol.
So 100% LLC equals on or off?
I am running Air at the moment and am curious what your trying to say. Sorry if I am cinfused, I just been reading the post from you and others and now I think i have no idea what it does now.

[Oliverda]

Chew*, I think I am confused now, lol.
So 100% LLC equals on or off?
I am running Air at the moment and am curious what your trying to say. Sorry if I am cinfused, I just been reading the post from you and others and now I think i have no idea what it does now.

100% equals on and then you get a nice overvoltage az load. Asus still can't develop a PWM which gives stable voltages to your CPU.

[NEOAethyr]

Ah thanks chew.
Now I think I understand.

Nice to see these new options.
I don't really need the ocp option but it's cool to see it there.
The pwm freq I think is a really nice option.
Even if the effects aren't that great, it's very nice to have.

And better control over llc, kinda wished they had these to begin with but maybe from now on there new boards will .

[chew*]

Chew*, I think I am confused now, lol.
So 100% LLC equals on or off?
I am running Air at the moment and am curious what your trying to say. Sorry if I am cinfused, I just been reading the post from you and others and now I think i have no idea what it does now.

OK LLC off = lots of droop in reference to set voltage

50% llc = moderate droop in reference to set voltage

100% llc = no droop on air water + tends to overshoot/spike in reference to set voltage, possible damage to cpu.

Fine for ln2 because at ln2 voltages and load it still droops.

C4E came with it at release, likely due to my complaining about C4F.

[BeepBeep2]

chew*, are you saying its dangerous because it will supply a much higher voltage at load than people expect, or are you going by what the whitepapers say or your own experience with the CPU's...

I feel much more comfortable running 1.465v set idle and 1.49 load for 4.2 Ghz than having to run 1.525v+ with LLC off...but (in my situation, at these volts) it's gonna hurt the CPU? I'd like to know.

[chew*]

think about what its doing and then ask yourself that question.

Its sitting at 1.475 idle and then as soon as you load it it shoots to 1.525-1.55......thats a spike.

Always better for it to drop voltage a little then shoot up especially when it happens on demand and under load.

[charged3800z24]

OK LLC off = lots of droop in reference to set voltage

50% llc = moderate droop in reference to set voltage

100% llc = no droop on air water + tends to overshoot/spike in reference to set voltage, possible damage to cpu.

Fine for ln2 because at ln2 voltages and load it still droops.

C4E came with it at release, likely due to my complaining about C4F.

Thanks, I was thinking that's what you ment. Just need some reasurance

[FlanK3r]

ok, 50% for me

[BeepBeep2]

think about what its doing and then ask yourself that question.

Its sitting at 1.475 idle and then as soon as you load it it shoots to 1.525-1.55......thats a spike.

Always better for it to drop voltage a little then shoot up especially when it happens on demand and under load.

Thanks.

Looks like LLC off and 4 Ghz / 1.465v for me.
I wish this board had 50% LLC, I doubt it will ever be implimented

[Cactus Whine]

Sorry about the delay, about half of us came down with the flu after CES, not a good time last week. I spoke with the lead engineer on the C4F this morning and he will have the BIOS change log and technical descriptions for the new voltage options tomorrow. We also expect additional BIOS releases this week on the AMD side.

was there any other bios release this week, other than the crosshair?

[KetelOne]

think about what its doing and then ask yourself that question.

Its sitting at 1.475 idle and then as soon as you load it it shoots to 1.525-1.55......thats a spike.

Always better for it to drop voltage a little then shoot up especially when it happens on demand and under load.

Maybe its me just being dense or just a severe lack of knowledge in the subject, but why does it make a difference whether it drops or not first? Either way its still going to spike. Or am I just not understanding what your saying.


Also, after all this debate, I still can't tell whats better for the M4A89GTD Pro, Enabled or Disabled.

[Tonyb]

With the LLC on full and the vcore on 1.425v with turbo enabled it peaks to around 1.54v, but with LLC on 50% I had to increase the vcore to 1.475v to get it stable and with the turbo on it peaks around 1.59v, with the turbo off it droops to 1.44v. Any thoughts on this?

[BeepBeep2]

think about what its doing and then ask yourself that question.

Its sitting at 1.475 idle and then as soon as you load it it shoots to 1.525-1.55......thats a spike.

Always better for it to drop voltage a little then shoot up especially when it happens on demand and under load.

Actually, taking inspiration from the last post...

What about the Turbo VID and it's HUGE spike? That would happen as often or more often than the spike from LLC...

[chew*]

I don't use turbo so can't comment. Its all cores maxxed all the time or nothing for me.

Voltage spikes in my opinion are bad. Spike a few components vga's and cpu's with volt mods and watch them die and then you will feel the way I do about the subject.

[Tonyb]

I don't normally use turbo I just enabled it to see what difference it made. The 50% LLC certainly seems to bear out what you said Chew.

[bingo13]

update - Sorry about the delays, feel free to lash me.

I am trying to get the balance of the M4 series out of qualification before the Chinese Holiday week starting on Monday. Also, still working with AMD and OCZ to clear the Revo issues in BIOS without stepping out of bounds on the PCIe bus requirements. I have two systems setup to replicate some dual mixed card issues and will respond on those shortly.

[Manicdan]

ive been trying to keep up, just spent the last hour reading though it (briefly)

for the M4A88TD-V, are there plans for LLC options other than on/off?

[Oo88oO]

Hi bingo13, thanks for the latest BIOS release.

During recent overclocking attempts – using saved OC Profiles both with 1606 and 1703 BIOS – I have noticed inconsistencies when validating overclocks using Linpack. My experiences lead me to query the way the BIOS is handling saved OC Profiles. I’m not in any way an expert when it comes to BIOSes (beyond everyday setup associated with overclocking) so you’ll have to forgive any apparent ignorance.

Currently, one of my 1055T processors is running at just over 4 GHz. I believe this overclock to be stable, this owing to the fact that the PC has successfully completed several lengthy Linpack tests, notably a 38 minute run with a 3GB+ data set. Problems arise, however, when the PC is powered down for a period by way of a ‘hard off’, i.e. turning the power off at the wall socket and/or the PSU – the PC and BIOS being otherwise untouched. When the PC is rebooted it invariably fails to complete even a short, undemanding Linpack test, even though the BIOS values are displayed correctly. In order for the PC to again become stable at a given overclock, following a ‘hard-off’, it is necessary to reload the desired OC profile (overwriting the existing settings). Booting into Windows, the PC is again able to complete basic and lengthy Linpack runs. This same issue has been observed on another PC with a very similar specification.

I am reasonably confident that the problem doesn’t lie with the Linpack frontend benchmarking software as I have compared results between the two options available.

As an aside, achieving a given overclock using the 1703 BIOS, as opposed to the 1606 BIOS, required a great deal more voltage for both the CPU and CPU/NB. I take it this was intentional, perhaps in the interests of ‘improved stability’? Ultimately, I ended up going back to the 1606 BIOS. The abovementioned overclocking issue was apparent whilst using the 1703 BIOS before successfully flashing back to the 1606 BIOS.

Any insight into the problem, and advice on how I can address it, would be much appreciated.


ASUS M4A89GTD Pro/USB3; AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 125W/95W; 4GB OCZ Platinum DDR3 1600 7-7-7-24; 2 x 1TB Western Digital WD1002FAEX SATA 6Gbps Caviar Black, RAID 0; 1TB Samsung F3 HD103SJ; Lite-On iHAS124; Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD; Noctua NH-D14; 1 x Arctic F12 PWM, 2 x Arctic F9 PWM; 4GB Corsair Flash Voyager GT (ReadyBoost); Corsair HX450; Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit.

[NEOAethyr]

@Oo88oO, thanks for that info .
I should have my mem by the end of the week or by next week.
If my system is stable, I will dump the cmos and compare them from diff types of bootup.

It won't contain all of the values, since some are stored in a custom chip on the smbus, but it will get me at lest half of them to compare with.
I'll beable to check some of this for ya when the time comes .

If it is true, then we'll have to re-think our methodology for posting this board :\.
Either that or mod the board and add a cap to the cmos chip...

Edit:
Mem will be here next mon, IF I'm stable, then it'll take me a while to get re-situated.
I'll have the cmos comparison data by the 8th, tue I think, that's if I'm stable.

You have a different board that what I have, it's the same gen of chipset though so it's worth double checking.
I power off my psu often enough to have something like this effect me.

[dyeager]

Sorry about the delay, about half of us came down with the flu after CES, not a good time last week. I spoke with the lead engineer on the C4F this morning and he will have the BIOS change log and technical descriptions for the new voltage options tomorrow. We also expect additional BIOS releases this week on the AMD side.

Bingo, Anything further on the M3A79-T Deluxe bios and its reported turbo isssues with the Phenom II X6s? The last bios update was back in October.

Thanks.

[vandiesel]

M4A89GTD PRO/USB3

Strange going on's ran for 5 weeks 1055t@4ghz then random blue screens, primed for 2 hrs ok, 4hr memtest 200% windows memtest all fine, still random bsod. It then refused to boot with anything other than 1 stick of memory in the first blue slot. This was on 1606, flashed to 1703 still the same issues, back to 1606, overnight cmos clear, 3 sets of memory team lv2000/corsair xms 3 1600/geil 1600, would occasional boot with 2 sticks, but the random bsod. I could boot with 1 stick prime/blend with no problems.

So I am thinking cpu, pull the 1055t slip in a 5200 dual unlocked to quad and whadda you know no problem booting with any mem config, runs for a week at 11.5x287. Slip back in the 1055t today and whadda you know boots with 2 sticks no problem, currently running 14x286/ht 2295/nb2295/mem765 8-8-8-24-27-1t on aqua@home

What gives with this board?

[jamesrb]

ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so...eluxe-3702.zip

M4A79 Deluxe - 3702

Any changelog?

[Sunfire]

ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so...eluxe-3702.zip

M4A79 Deluxe - 3702

Any changelog?

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