Intel Ivy Bridge (22nm) News & Rumours Thread

[saaya]

i'd rather see lightpeak boards showing up than worry about P67 compatibility

true... or at least usb3...
luckily most board partners are fixing this shortsight of intel...

i hope mobile ivy bridge will finally be lower power than culv, instead of offering ever more performance and cores which arent really that necessary in a laptop

[Tenknics]

I thought Ivy Bridge was supposed to use DDR4 Ram? or maybe it'll be compatible with 3 & 4

This would be the worst time to change to a new memory type. Maybe when high-end Ivy's come out..towards the end of 2012?

[Johnny87au]

I thought Ivy Bridge was supposed to use DDR4 Ram? or maybe it'll be compatible with 3 & 4

yes thats true, They were suppose to implement Quad channel.. If these new 22nm chips are 6core or even higher i dont see how good "HIGH-end" can really be..

[drjunk]

Please clear my confusion. Ivy bridge high end to arrive in late 2011,.. ivy bridge mainstream to arrive early 2012? Also will 2012 motherboards be able to auto switch between intergrated gfx and gfx cards? Im guessing p77 motherboards will have to be a significant upgrade from p67, to counteract loss of motherboard sales, due to p67 compatibility.

[PatRaceTin]

I will change my mobo even it can drop Ivy in......

[Tenknics]

Please clear my confusion. Ivy bridge high end to arrive in late 2011,.. ivy bridge mainstream to arrive early 2012? Also will 2012 motherboards be able to auto switch between intergrated gfx and gfx cards? Im guessing p77 motherboards will have to be a significant upgrade from p67, to counteract loss of motherboard sales, due to p67 compatibility.

No, because based on that, Ivy Bridge High end would come out before Sand Bridge high end..which is scheduled for q4 2011...

Ivy Bridge will launch after all the Sandy B's sku's (socket 2011 etc) have launched, not before so.

[Johnny87au]

No, because based on that, Ivy Bridge High end would come out before Sand Bridge high end..which is scheduled for q4 2011...

Ivy Bridge will launch after all the Sandy B's sku's (socket 2011 etc) have launched, not before so.

Im betting Q4 2011 ivybridge wont be highend , Doesnt make sense why INTEL would release IVY highend when we're still waiting for high END Sandybridge.. But then again it happened with i5/i7..

[SpuTnicK]

The Q4 2011 is not Ivy Bridge, it is High-end Sandy Bridge (LGA 2011) AFAIK.
Ivy Bridge is planned for H1 2012

[Sn0wm@n]

Im betting Q4 2011 ivybridge wont be highend , Doesnt make sense why INTEL would release IVY highend when we're still waiting for high END Sandybridge.. But then again it happened with i5/i7..

it wouldnt make sense to launch this fast unless ivy and sandy arent meant to be high end ???


but that doesnt make sense ....

but then again intel hired will i am .... and this didnt make sense at all ...

and anyway .. why release a new gen of cpu right before you release a high end cpu based on older architecture???? ... how will intel hype this move???

[Johnny87au]

The Q4 2011 is not Ivy Bridge, it is High-end Sandy Bridge (LGA 2011) AFAIK.
Ivy Bridge is planned for H1 2012

Clearly states it in the article, 2012 whole new chipset..

@snowman, lol that is very true.. according to Intel Will I-AM is the best pop star singer atm

[FlanK3r]

The Q4 2011 is not Ivy Bridge, it is High-end Sandy Bridge (LGA 2011) AFAIK.
Ivy Bridge is planned for H1 2012

I dont know man...I think, maybe it will be IB. Some ES SB (around 2.2 GHz) at LGA2011 are, but 130TDP with 16 threads and high clocks doesnt looks so real....32nm is for this too big think.

[RaV666]

I dont know man...I think, maybe it will be IB. Some ES SB (around 2.2 GHz) at LGA2011 are, but 130TDP with 16 threads and high clocks doesnt looks so real....32nm is for this too big think.

Taking into consideration that this socket will be also the workstation server one.Not really, 4C sandy is 216mm2 and it has igp.8C seems totally doable, and dont forget intel already made 8core nehalem ,on the 45nm node, with massive 24mb L3 cache it was 648mm2.So 8cores at 32nm around 400mm2 seems plausible.

[geo]

Hmmm..... I think you missed my point. As a bencher I didn't want to have another P55 situation happening. With Ivy being compatible ....the money for boards, mem & cpu's is a little easier to take. I'm really waiting for X68 .....but with the 990X's just around the corner...will give that a bash first...and then perhaps dabble in P67. Lightpeak can wait.

from your point of view sure. but most folks aren't benchers, extreme overclockers. Intel would be better off introducing FEATURES instead of just performance increase alone.

most non gamer consumers dont even use the horse power of a quad and when they do, its for video encoding. Intel's quick sync imo is a revolution in that regard which didn't get much press for due their mobo fiasco and some "expert" reviews not really caring about such things.

If you have a Sandybridge, even a nehalem. where's the need for a consumer to buy a ivy? what does it provide apart from raw performance that a consumer would want to spend atleast $700 to to upgrade his computer or spend $1000+ to buy a new one? Most consumers are already moving to laptops anyway.. and i haven't even mentioned tablets.

its in that context i mentioned lightpeak. I didn't mean to disagree with you.

[geo]

true... or at least usb3...
luckily most board partners are fixing this shortsight of intel...

i hope mobile ivy bridge will finally be lower power than culv, instead of offering ever more performance and cores which arent really that necessary in a laptop

i'm hoping for ULV quad. macbook air formfactor + ULV Quads = win

[cky2k6]

965/975 supported die shrinks, so have p55/x58, p67 supporting ivy bridge isn't progress. If p67 supports the new arch that comes on 22nm, that will be impressive.

[Pudi]

I thought Ivy Bridge was supposed to use DDR4 Ram? or maybe it'll be compatible with 3 & 4

Hah, Mate don’t worry about it, DDR3 is still mainstream for several more years and DDR4 isn’t even on Intel’s or AMD’s CPU roadmaps yet, 2014 maybe.

[Johnny87au]

965/975 supported die shrinks, so have p55/x58, p67 supporting ivy bridge isn't progress. If p67 supports the new arch that comes on 22nm, that will be impressive.

well 32nm to 22nm, i believe improvements should be atleast 20% better..

[sin0822]

You can see hints in certain BIOSes that hint to much more capable chips. Such as in certain BIOSes they have a list of Multipliers and the multis are in the 60s.

I think since ivybridge is just basically a die shrink of sandy bridge and the fact that is seems to only support dual channel RAM as per that slide, that it will be on P67.

Also from the realworld article on SB and LGA 2011 it seems like LGA2011 will be a server part that is going to settle well with enthusiasts.

[saaya]

i'm hoping for ULV quad. macbook air formfactor + ULV Quads = win

Would be nice, yeah
I'd prefer a dualcore though, unless I can disable half the cores of a quad and they are not sucking any power

And yes, the timing does sound odd
So an higher and ib mainstream will come out months or even weeks apart?

[Ket]

I knew Ivy would be coming to P67 Its only logical. AFAIK Ivy isn't much more than some architectural tweaks, die shrink and a improved IGP. Don't need a new socket for that.

[HKPolice]

Ivy Bridge is PCIe3. Unless Intel makes it capable of running in PCIe2 mode then it won't be compatible. Most enthusiasts will buy a new mobo for the PCIe3 slots anyways

[Johnny87au]

I knew Ivy would be coming to P67 Its only logical. AFAIK Ivy isn't much more than some architectural tweaks, die shrink and a improved IGP. Don't need a new socket for that.

Hopefully more cores too.. Has to be.. i mean smaller die shrink better IGP/IMC .. bound to have something xtreme with it otherwise whats the point of a new architecture..

[Ket]

Ivy Bridge is PCIe3. Unless Intel makes it capable of running in PCIe2 mode then it won't be compatible. Most enthusiasts will buy a new mobo for the PCIe3 slots anyways

PCI-E 3.0 should follow the same route as 1.1 and 2.0, ie; backwards compatible with eachother.

Hopefully more cores too.. Has to be.. i mean smaller die shrink better IGP/IMC .. bound to have something xtreme with it otherwise whats the point of a new architecture..

Whispers are us socket 1155 owners will see 6 and 8 core Ivy chips, but only time will tell if thats true.

[Johnny87au]

definately hope so! I'd get my hands on one of those and settle for a while, make a good "future" proof rig

[Ket]

It would be nice, but those chips will be crazy expensive knowing intel for about 3 years after their release. Intel basically never cut prices