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[sin0822]

hey guys just starting DMM tests, sorry i just installed MOH i have never really played a FPS before since BF2. I am done now.

[Falkentyne]

Flashing backup bios while overclocked can be fatal. Because if something goes wrong with an overclock, it automatically loads the backup BIOS even if everything is fine with the primary bios. And if it can't access the backup BIOS it will loop forever.

Try NINJA Pressing Alt-F12 and keep mashing it, to see if you can get it to boot from the primary BIOS. I know that pressing it 3 times switches from primary to backup (makes backup primary), but you might not be even given a chance to do that if the board won't stay on long enough....

[aver]

Flashing backup bios while overclocked can be fatal. Because if something goes wrong with an overclock, it automatically loads the backup BIOS even if everything is fine with the primary bios. And if it can't access the backup BIOS it will loop forever.

Try NINJA Pressing Alt-F12 and keep mashing it, to see if you can get it to boot from the primary BIOS. I know that pressing it 3 times switches from primary to backup (makes backup primary), but you might not be even given a chance to do that if the board won't stay on long enough....

Ya I am not sure whats going on exactly.. It seems like the bios is corrupted and it can't get to the backup or both are corrupted.. System wasn't OC'd as it was a fresh BIOS flash .. I am not sure if the backup process just shuts down or if it prompts you.. For me it just shut down and tried to restart.

[Falkentyne]

Ya I am not sure whats going on exactly.. It seems like the bios is corrupted and it can't get to the backup or both are corrupted.. System wasn't OC'd as it was a fresh BIOS flash .. I am not sure if the backup process just shuts down or if it prompts you.. For me it just shut down and tried to restart.

um....I can't remember exactly, maybe someone else can chime in, but when I flashed the primary BIOS, I used the DOS flasher, and it did NOT restart after the flash.

When I did alt-12 once to flash the backup BIOS, it DID restart after the flash.

BTW, when you flashed the primary bios, did you flash the backup bios after the VERY FIRST restart?

[aver]

BTW, when you flashed the primary bios, did you flash the backup bios after the VERY FIRST restart?

No ,I first configured all of my base settings in the bios so it booted into Windows then I restarted flashed the new backup right before I started to OC as everyone was pointing to F7e as being the best :p

It still 21 days old so I can return to the retailer which looks like it might be the easiest.. I have the CMOS battery out now and will let it sit for awhile and give it another go..

[sin0822]

yea just return it, i think maybe you might have corrupted the backup BIOS, that is why they don't publish how to flash the backup BIOS, you really aren't supposed to.

BTW you have to use a PS2 keyboard to flash backup BIOS, that is how it went for me. There is also a way to short the main BIOS so that the backup BIOS works instead automatically.

[aver]

yea just return it, i think maybe you might have corrupted the backup BIOS, that is why they don't publish how to flash the backup BIOS, you really aren't supposed to.

BTW you have to use a PS2 keyboard to flash backup BIOS, that is how it went for me. There is also a way to short the main BIOS so that the backup BIOS works instead automatically.

It was weird caused it wrote the BIOS to the backup successfully. It then did a second write of the BIOS shut down immediately and then went into the continuous reboot. I must have corrupted the backup bios or for some reason its not able to get far enough to revert form the backup bios.

[OC Nub]

Doing some 3d benching with the new chip.

[sin0822]

i flashed by backup BIOS as well, I think I am going to reflash it to F3 LOL> You story scared me, i feel like maybe my backup is waiting to fail on me!

[jackbrennan2008]

If i want to see how high i can get my BCLK, what voltage it used to gain a higher BCLK?

[aver]

i flashed by backup BIOS as well, I think I am going to reflash it to F3 LOL> You story scared me, i feel like maybe my backup is waiting to fail on me!

Well I did successfully flash my backup bios to F6 earlier in the week. I then went to F7e, then to F7, and then back to F7e. That is when attempted to update my backup bios to be F7e and blamo

[jackbrennan2008]

i managed to get 107.3 on the BCLK. Any higher and the pc locks up. i increased the pll voltage, but it didnt seem to help at all.

[Falkentyne]

Hi,
Sin, were you able to get around to testing the voltages?

[sin0822]

i just got home, i had to do Sunday shopping and church. I beat MOH last night, and i have the UD7 out of the case, so i am going to do the tests within the next hour. i already did LLC tests for the UD7 with BIOS F7, they are a page or two back. I will do the LLC testing and all the other votlages within the next hour. Sorry its taking so long.

BTW i was thinking about your problem and how we have to flash those new BIOSes with @BIOS, and not with the BIOS flash, maybe that is the problem, i am going to flash my backup BIOS with F3. I am not risking killing this awesome board.

Jack i found that vcore made the biggest difference for blck, i was able to do 107.5/107.7 set. I took a screen shot, it was with BIOS F6E. I found that increasing system agent, as well as PCH voltage might have helped.

[Eldonko]

I flashed F7e to my backup and it is working much better than having F3 in backup. Before every freeze or bsod was corrupt bios and then it would flash f3 and then I would have to go flash f7e again. Havent had to flash anything since

[TheHardCase]

Guys I was really thinking getting rib of this board & going back to Asus Max IV but after seeing this "4 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (single @x16, dual @x8, triple @x8, x16, x16", what are they doing going backwards?

This my first Gigabite board & I think I'm going to hang in there giving them a chance for a good bios.

[Falkentyne]

i just got home, i had to do Sunday shopping and church. I beat MOH last night, and i have the UD7 out of the case, so i am going to do the tests within the next hour. i already did LLC tests for the UD7 with BIOS F7, they are a page or two back. I will do the LLC testing and all the other votlages within the next hour. Sorry its taking so long.

BTW i was thinking about your problem and how we have to flash those new BIOSes with @BIOS, and not with the BIOS flash, maybe that is the problem, i am going to flash my backup BIOS with F3. I am not risking killing this awesome board.

Jack i found that vcore made the biggest difference for blck, i was able to do 107.5/107.7 set. I took a screen shot, it was with BIOS F6E. I found that increasing system agent, as well as PCH voltage might have helped.

I always flash bioses with MS-DOS boot disk. It's never failed me in 10 years of flashing...

[Falkentyne]

I flashed F7e to my backup and it is working much better than having F3 in backup. Before every freeze or bsod was corrupt bios and then it would flash f3 and then I would have to go flash f7e again. Havent had to flash anything since

Yeah I flashed f6d to my backup on my UD5, and it never complains about anything corrupt anymore.

Only problem is the double post after a hard power off, and the occasional shut down after a windows reboot. But at least it doesn't complain about corruptness.

[stasio]

I always flash bioses with MS-DOS boot disk. It's never failed me in 10 years of flashing...

Last 3-4 BIOS's ,I flash with Q-Flash,no problem.

[sin0822]

really yea i hard you could flash normally now. Anyways I went and reflashed my backup to BIOS F3, so i flashed F3 to main BIOS, Atl+f12 with ps2keyboard, well it did a "BIOS swap" which was much different than when i first flashed my backup to F6E from F3, so what happened is that it flashed my backup to F3 and flashed my main to F7E, it wrote two BIOS images instead of one, the first time i did it it didn't do this.

Anyways I did LLC anaysis, i have to change my CPu PLL read point on my review, as that is incorrect, its actually the leg of that MOSFET next to the cap.

So here are the results, they are different from F7.

Vcore 1.4v set(DMM/CPU-Z)
LLC NO Idle: 1.382/1.344
LLC NO Load:1.336/1.296
LLC 1 Idle:1.420/1.392
LLC 1 Load:1.409/1.388
LLC 2 Idle:1.458/1.428
LLC 2 Load:1.498/1.452

Conclusion: No LLC isn't that bad but CPU-Z incorrectly reports voltages under load, LLC Level1 is the same as F7 final actually pretty good, LLC level2 is just as scary as F7 final, huge almost 100mv over what is set under load, but only 40mv increase over what it is at idle. I do not think they changed anything from F7, but there HAS BEEN CHANGE to LLC and all voltage since the original BIOSes I am thinking maybe F6X has different LLC, if I remember correctly i tested for my review with F5 or F6X or F3 i cannot remember.

QPI/VTT 1.05 set (DMM only)
QPI LLC no idle:1.081
QPI LLC no Load:1.089
QPI LLC 1 idle:1.080
QPI LLC 1 load:1.094
QPI LLC 2 idle:1.084
QPI LLC 2 load:1.096
Conclusion: They tweaked QPI since I tested it for my review, it is automatically slightly increased. There is correlation with LLC levels as expected.

CPU PLL 1.8 set(DMM ONLY)
PLL disabled:1.870
PLL enabled:1.870

CPU PLL 1.86 set
PLL disabled:1.909
PLL enabled:1.909

CPu PLL 1.7v set
PLL disabled:1.751
PLL enabled:1.751

There is zero correlation between enabling Cpu PLL overvoltage and actual voltage being fed by the board to the CPU, i didn't think there would be, also same overvotlage to CPU PLL as in my initial review. If you wanna read for yourself the read point is same MOSFET as in my pic, just the leg nearest the capacitor, basically your probe will touch the cap.

I hope this helps you guys, i cut my finger pretty badly while loading with IBT, the fan was spinning a lot faster than i thought, i actually think i got blood on the board lol.

[OC Nub]

Thanks for all the hard work.

I wonder what the Internal CPU PLL Over Voltage setting actually does since it doesnt increase the voltage you were reading. Any idea?

[TheHardCase]

I can push alot more, very stable system.

[sin0822]

Thanks for all the hard work.

I wonder what the Internal CPU PLL Over Voltage setting actually does since it doesnt increase the voltage you were reading. Any idea?

I think that it just allow the internal clock generator to work with higher multipliers, maybe it unlocks the PLLs ability to take higher voltage. Like what i am saying is that maybe the pll voltage is fixed, and even if the board pushes 1.89v it will only take 1.8v. Maybe with CPU pLL overvotlage it uses higher voltage? IDK. or unlock its multipliers+ 4-5x.

[btdvox]

Bah, I had my chip at 1.392 Idle vcore to 1.428 vcore for fully stable in Prime95/OCCT with RAM set at default (1333 9-9-9-24-1t). But anything higher than that, such as my specified stock settings (1600 7-8-7-24-1t), and my Vcore seems to need more, about 1.44-1.45.

I guess that's some what normal? Temps are still fine max is 75 on one core while the rest are 70-73 (though majority is around 65-70)

[sin0822]

have you raised qpi/vtt"?