GTX 560 Coming soon!

[Sam_oslo]

Your not making sense.

1) People who run very high res & eyefinty are people who would buy those expensive" 2GBs.


2) Again where has AMD said that they are going to drop 6970/50-2GB.
6970/50-1GB makes sense for people on lower resolution monitors & only offering expensive 6970/50-2GB is a total waste when there is a wide market to cover.

You don't need to take that tone in every comment, but maybe you lack the ability to make sense of it? You see, other can take tone too, but lets keep it civilized.
It shouldn't need more explanation, but maybe I have to explain for you.

Based on the current info/rumors the price of 6970/50-1GBs in CFX would be ~30-40% less than 6970/50-2GBs, and probably eve less for GTX560 SLI. Do you think people are fool to pay that much extra to get 2GBs? You see, the price plays a big role, specially when you have to pay for 2 cards!

AMD's 1GB-move has already killed those 2GBs, and 560 will come on top of that and make sure that nobody buys those 2GBs for almost double-price, ruffly.

[kadozer]

You don't need to take that tone in every comment, but maybe you lack the ability to make sense of it? You see, other can take tone too, but lets keep it civilized.
It shouldn't need more explanation, but maybe I have to explain for you.

Based on the current info/rumors the price of 6970/50-1GBs in CFX would be ~30-40% less than 6970/50-2GBs, and probably eve less for GTX560 SLI. Do you think people are fool to pay that much extra to get 2GBs? You see, the price plays a big role, specially when you have to pay for 2 cards!

AMD's 1GB-move has already killed those 2GBs, and 560 will come on top of that and make sure that nobody buys those 2GBs for almost double-price, ruffly.

Where did you get this info that 2gb cards will be eol? Link? Source?

[Final8ty]

You don't need to take that tone in every comment, but maybe you lack the ability to make sense of it? You see, other can take tone too, but lets keep it civilized.
It shouldn't need more explanation, but maybe I have to explain for you.

Based on the current info/rumors the price of 6970/50-1GBs in CFX would be ~30-40% less than 6970/50-2GBs, and probably eve less for GTX560 SLI. Do you think people are fool to pay that much extra to get 2GBs? You see, the price plays a big role, specially when you have to pay for 2 cards!

AMD's 1GB-move has already killed those 2GBs, and 560 will come on top of that and make sure that nobody buys those 2GBs for almost double-price, ruffly.

There is no tone & any tone is in your head.

And the need for 2GB is a need for 2GB no matter if its NV or ATI.

You have not provided any links to back up your claims of AMD dropping 2GB cards & you also ignore that some need 2GB of Vram period & 1GB is not an option for the setup they have no matter how much cheaper it is.

[Sam_oslo]

There is no tone & any tone is in your head.

And the need for 2GB is a need for 2GB no matter if its NV or ATI.

You have not provided any links to back up your claims of AMD dropping 2GB cards & you also ignore that some need 2GB of Vram period & 1GB is not an option for the setup they have no matter how much cheaper it is.

I didn't say AMD is dropping 2GBs. I said, if the rumors about low-price 1GBs is true, then nobody would buy those "expensive" 2GBs. They will practically be dead/EOL. please don't change my lines, then i have to repeat myself, unnecessarily.

What do you mean by "no matter how much cheaper it is"? That's totally wrong, the price matters a lot, specially when you have to pay for more than one card. Would you explain your ideas about "no matter"-price?

[Johnny87au]

You don't need to take that tone in every comment, but maybe you lack the ability to make sense of it? You see, other can take tone too, but lets keep it civilized.
It shouldn't need more explanation, but maybe I have to explain for you.

Based on the current info/rumors the price of 6970/50-1GBs in CFX would be ~30-40% less than 6970/50-2GBs, and probably eve less for GTX560 SLI. Do you think people are fool to pay that much extra to get 2GBs? You see, the price plays a big role, specially when you have to pay for 2 cards!

AMD's 1GB-move has already killed those 2GBs, and 560 will come on top of that and make sure that nobody buys those 2GBs for almost double-price, ruffly.

IIRC 50-60$ cheaper..

[Sam_oslo]

IIRC 50-60$ cheaper..

I've seen that too, but some have been suggesting much cheaper too. But the biggest "enemy" would be nVidia prices on GTX560. Plus, maybe a good price-cut on 570, or even a new cheap 565 (or something similar?). In any case, those "old" 6970/50-2GB are going to be too expensive to survive the upcoming price-war.

Nobody would pay these 6970/50-2GB prices when the next wave hits the marked soon. They will practically dead/EOL, in my opinionated.

[Final8ty]

I don't think it's a good idea to compare GTX560 with those old 6970/50-2GB, because the price will more likely be much less, and pretty close to upcoming 6970/50-1GB.

1)Besides, those 6970/50-2GBs are EOL soon (if not already), because nobody would buy those "expensive" cards when upcoming "cheap" cards hits the marked.

EDIT:
The real fight will be between GTX560 and 6970/50-1GB, and SLI vs CFX of these. Probably including 6990 too.

2)They are going for 1GB cards!. That's a wrong move, and I've already complained extensively about it.

Yep, you are right, that would hurt eyefinity, but if rumors about low-price 1GBs is true, then who would buy those "expensive" 2GBs?

3) I'm afraid that SLI vs CFX figures would change in nVidia's favor soon. Because AMD is going for 6970/50-1GBs for sure, and rumors says nVidia is going for GTX560-2GB. We have to wait and see the exact results, but I'm afraid you will soon wake up and find a new figure for SLI vs result.

4)I didn't say AMD is dropping 2GBs. I said, if the rumors about low-price 1GBs is true, then nobody would buy those "expensive" 2GBs. They will practically be dead/EOL. please don't change my lines, then i have to repeat myself, unnecessarily.

What do you mean by "no matter how much cheaper it is"? That's totally wrong, the price matters a lot, specially when you have to pay for more than one card. Would you explain your ideas about "no matter"-price?

1) Bad choice of word on your part.

2) A contradiction seeing as its the highres eyefinity people who would be buying the 2GB cards & what would you be complaining about when there has nearly always been 2 tiers of Vram at the mid & high end skus & further gave the impression that you had complained to AMD about dropping of 2GB versions .

3) Another contradiction in light of the context of your posts of people not wanting to pay more for 2GBs.

4) And that's what you should of said from the start but your still ignoring the need for 2GB of ram for high res & eyefinity & you have been told already that its the high res & eyefinity people that need it so that question of who is null.

[cold2010]

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[Johnny87au]

I've seen that too, but some have been suggesting much cheaper too. But the biggest "enemy" would be nVidia prices on GTX560. Plus, maybe a good price-cut on 570, or even a new cheap 565 (or something similar?). In any case, those "old" 6970/50-2GB are going to be too expensive to survive the upcoming price-war.

Nobody would pay these 6970/50-2GB prices when the next wave hits the marked soon. They will practically dead/EOL, in my opinionated.

Well thats somewhat true but i dont think they will be dead as people who have eyefinity setups will prefer the 2gb revisions.. The 460s still go for around $210 for the msi hawx on newegg, 560$ should be around $290 ? Just a guess but should be pretty close seeming as the 570 is $360.. Wonder if the 1gb cards will still be able to be flashed..

[Sam_oslo]

OK, you guys have some points too, but lets agree, the survival of 6970/50-2GB will depend on the upcoming price-war. If it gets really aggressive, then they will practically be dead/EOL. I guess/hope it will get really ugly, but it remains to be seen how far they will go (in both camps).

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http://www.arlt.com/Hardware/PC-Komp...ozr-II-OC.html

This kind of 280€ is not going to help my case tho, LMAO lets hope it's fake price.

[Final8ty]

OK, you guys have some points too, but lets agree, the survival of 6970/50-2GB will depend on the upcoming price-war. If it gets really aggressive, then they will practically be dead/EOL. I guess/hope it will get really ugly, but it remains to be seen how far they will go (in both camps).



This kind of 280€ is not going to help my case tho, LMAO lets hope it's fake price.

No it wont.
The higher GB version have never been dropped & if anything its been the lower Vram models that get dropped.

The thing is that has thrown you this time is that the higher GB models came out first this time around.

There are more reasons now for 2GB cards than ever.

1) Its silly to cripple multi GPU setups because they hit a Vram wall before a GPU power wall.

2) The 6990 will most likely have 2GB perGPU & will need a single 2GB GPU for Tri fire which is the sweet spot.

3) People jumping on multi screen gaming will jump over to NV.

4) People on highres screen gaming will jump over to NV.

5) Take all of the above & AMD would be shooting its self in the foot on so many levels & the performance crown & the highend market will be totally owned by NV .

[cold2010]

This kind of 280€ is not going to help my case tho, LMAO lets hope it's fake price.

http://www.provantage.com/pny-techno...b~4PNY90WJ.htm

[zalbard]

I didn't say AMD is dropping 2GBs. I said, if the rumors about low-price 1GBs is true, then nobody would buy those "expensive" 2GBs. They will practically be dead/EOL. please don't change my lines, then i have to repeat myself, unnecessarily.

Why would they EOL their high-end cards in favour of mid-range ones? That just doesn't make sense. 2GB gives decent gains in many scenarios.

[Sam_oslo]

Why would they EOL their high-end cards in favour of mid-range ones? That just doesn't make sense. 2GB gives decent gains in many scenarios.

You nailed right on the problem, yep 6970 is AMD's high-end card, but tell me, why is this card fighting in mainstream now?

The way I look at it, AMD has chosen to "degrade" it to 1GB to make it cheaper to fight in mainstream.

Yeah, 2GB gives decent gains in many scenarios, but based on current info/rumors, it will probably be too expensive to justify those "gains", soon. Both compared to AMD's own 1GB-prices and nVidia upcoming 560, or good price-cut on 570, or maybe other new GPU too.


If nVidia goes for a aggressive move in mainstream, which I believe they both can do and will do, then AMD has to sell the 1GB really cheap to compete. That will be the end of life for 2GB. The price-gap will get too big to justify those "gains", unless AMD drops the price on 2GB too, that will again affect 1GB-prices, in circle.

The way I look at it, AMD has already killed 2GB, practically, but all this will depend on how aggressive nVidia will get in this round.

[Final8ty]

You nailed right on the problem, yep 6970 is AMD's high-end card, but tell me, why is this card fighting in mainstream now?

The way I look at it, AMD has chosen to "degrade" it to 1GB to make it cheaper to fight in mainstream.

Yeah, 2GB gives decent gains in many scenarios, but based on current info/rumors, it will probably be too expensive to justify those "gains", soon. Both compared to AMD's own 1GB-prices and nVidia upcoming 560, or good price-cut on 570, or maybe other new GPU too.


If nVidia goes for a aggressive move in mainstream, which I believe they both can do and will do, then AMD has to sell the 1GB really cheap to compete. That will be the end of life for 2GB. The price-gap will get too big to justify those "gains", unless AMD drops the price on 2GB too, that will again affect 1GB-prices, in circle.

The way I look at it, AMD has already killed 2GB, practically, but all this will depend on how aggressive nVidia will get in this round.

You have no logic to your posts because your ignoring too many factors about the present & the past & the good reasons why it wont happen by reply's to you.

1800xt 256MB-512MB was little reason for the 512MB version but for the few who had 2560x1600 displays but yet it was still made it & 1900xt again 256MB-512MB.

4xxx series 512MB-1GB & 2GB.

5xxx series 1GB-2GB

6xxx series 1GB-2GB.


All of these cards in that are present & what were in the past are fighting the same battles as always & the mainstream battle has always been there & the high ends have always been there in spite of the main focus of the mainstream.

Your forgetting that its not all about having one GPU for each segment & its a combination of features that set them apart & not just what GPU is on it & that fact that the incremental flexibility to join multiple parts together to give higher end performance when the pocket allows that would go out the window if limited to only 1GB parts.

If NV & AMD end 2GB then that's end to 2560x1600 & multi monitor Eyefinity & NV surround gaming just when they brought such features in, because that's what your saying.

The2GB is the enthusiasts part & the 1GB is the mainstream part & is no different from the 512MB enthusiasts part & the 256MB mainstream part of gfx cards in the past.

There are some enthusiasts choosing ATI over NV purely because NV has less Vram on there cards & are worried about hitting that Vram wall.

[Sam_oslo]

You have no logic to your posts because your ignoring too many factors about the present & the past & the good reasons why it wont happen by reply's to you.

1800xt 256MB-512MB was little reason for the 512MB version but for the few who had 2560x1600 displays but yet it was still made 1900xt again 256MB-512MB.

4xxx series 512MB-1GB & 2GB.

5xxx series 1GB-2GB

6xxx series 1GB-2GB.


All of these cards in that are present & what were in the past are fighting the same battles as always & the mainstream battle has always been there & the high ends have always been there in spite of the main focus of the mainstream.

Your forgetting that its not all about having one GPU for each segment & its a combination of features that set them apart & not just what GPU is on it & that fact that the incremental flexibility to join multiple parts together to give higher end performance when the pocket allows that would go out the window if limited to only 1GB parts.

Is this in my head again, or you are using that tone again? I suggested you keep it civilized.
It's all about justifying the price, both compared to AMD's own 1GBs, and nVidia's 2GBs. There is always other alternatives for those 2560x1600 monitor, multi-monitors, and even more ...

Are you suggesting that some people HAVE to buy those 2GB and therefore they pay a BIG price-premium for that? You are lucky i don't use those tones, otherwise I would tell you something right here.

[Final8ty]

Is this in my head again, or you are using that tone again? I suggested you keep it civilized.
It's all about justifying the price, both compared to AMD's own 1GBs, and nVidia's 2GBs. There is always other alternatives for those 2560x1600 monitor, multi-monitors, and even more ...

Are you suggesting that some people HAVE to buy those 2GB and therefore they pay a BIG price-premium for that? You are lucky i don't use those tones, otherwise I would tell you something right here.

Yes its in your head im not using any aggressive or insulting words & yes people are paying more because there FPS would dive on there setups with 1GB of Vram & what are those alternatives for those 2560x1600 monitor, multi-monitors ?.

Its seems you lack first hand experience of the issue.

If you want to keep ignoring that facts about what some people need & have been doing & are doing then that's upto but don't expect other to ignore the facts too.

[bekuna]

When i will able to buy 560?

[Sam_oslo]

Yes its in your head im not using any aggressive or insulting words & yes people are paying more because there FPS would dive on there setups with 1GB of Vram & what are those alternatives for those 2560x1600 monitor, multi-monitors ?.

Its seems you lack first hand experience of the issue.

I didn't say anything about aggressively, but a constructive conversation should keep the focus on the subject, not the person. You need to prove your points by reasoning and good arguments. It doesn't help to ghet frustrated and tell others "You have no logic to your posts", and such. I hope we understand each other.

You think we have seen all GPUs in this round? This war is just starting, and I believe we can count on good alternatives for high-res or multi-monitors. Specially when the death of 6970-2GB creates a vacuum, soon.

We have already heard rumors about 560-2GB, and we have also heard about a double-GPU from nVidia. Some suggestion about more RAM on GTX580 has been raised too. I don't know what else we can get, but whenever there is gap, there will be a GPU to fill it up.

[DarthShader]

I believe we can count on good alternatives for high-res or multi-monitors. Specially when the death of 6970-2GB creates a vacuum, soon.

We have already heard rumors about 560-2GB, and we have also heard about a double-GPU from nVidia. Some suggestion about more RAM on GTX580 has been raised too. I don't know what else we can get, but whenever there is gap, there will be a GPU to fill it up.

Yes, AMD 2GB products will die because nobody is going to buy them, because everybody is going to buy nVidia 2GB products, which won't die, because everybody is going to buy them, because nobody is going to buy AMD 2GB products, because they will die, because everybody is going to buy nVidia 2GB products....

[Vardant]

When i will able to buy 560?

25-26th, depending on where you live.

[Sam_oslo]

When i will able to buy 560?

I believe 25th is the day!

Yes, AMD 2GB products will die because nobody is going to buy them, because everybody is going to buy nVidia 2GB products, which won't die, because everybody is going to buy them, because nobody is going to buy AMD 2GB products, because they will die, because everybody is going to buy nVidia 2GB products....

You got it. Everybody will be buying nVidia in coming months. Because AMD has chosen to "degrade" it's high-end card to fight in mainstream. They should "upgrade" and take a fight with 580 in high-end. It was a really wrong move, it will probably kill the only hope they had, and they are going to pay for in this round.

[Final8ty]

1)I didn't say anything about aggressively, but a constructive conversation should keep the focus on the subject, not the person. You need to prove your points by reasoning and good arguments. It doesn't help to ghet frustrated and tell others "You have no logic to your posts", and such. I hope we understand each other.

2)You think we have seen all GPUs in this round? This war is just starting, and I believe we can count on good alternatives for high-res or multi-monitors. Specially when the death of 6970-2GB creates a vacuum, soon.

3)We have already heard rumors about 560-2GB, and we have also heard about a double-GPU from nVidia. Some suggestion about more RAM on GTX580 has been raised too. I don't know what else we can get, but whenever there is gap, there will be a GPU to fill it up.

1) i have done constructive conversation & proved my point with reasoning and good arguments, you have done nether & ignored all of them even though all of mine have been based on facts of the present & past & I don't get frustrated on forums.

2) Again your saying things without providing any examples to fit them & the only logic is that ATI have a new higher end single GPU card to replace them & now the bit in bold is a change of tune to just the 6970-2GB will just get killed off from the 6970/6950-2GB claims before.

3) Which contradicts your claims about not needing 1GB & 2GB version of the same card.

[Final8ty]

I believe 25th is the day!




You got it. Everybody will be buying nVidia in coming months. Because AMD has chosen to "degrade" it's high-end card to fight in mainstream. They should "upgrade" and take a fight with 580 in high-end. It was a really wrong move, it will probably kill the only hope they had, and they are going to pay for in this round.

Reasoned debate ? !

NV are going to kill off the 2GB version because they have a 1GB version out as well & there cant be both right ? by your logic.

[DilTech]

Sam, AMD won't be killing off their 2gb parts...

With as much as AMD touts their Eyefinity tech they'd be out-right insane to do so. Something we learned from the 5870 2gb version is that AMD's present designs love bulk memory; they have plenty of bandwidth, but they love to put the ram itself to use. The 1 gb parts is strictly to attack the market gap left open between the 6970 2gb and the 6870: no more, no less.

I mean the 1gb cards are plenty for people running their monitors at 1680x1050, but with more and more people making the jump to 1080p or higher the minuscule price difference between the 1gb and 2gb cards will probably not be enough to deter buyers. Think about it for a second, people buy low end cards with double the memory over high end at the same price just because it says it has more ram!

Both companies will have good parts at their respective price points, and for that all of us consumers should be happy!