GTX 560 Coming soon!

[Final8ty]

You don't need to take that tone in every comment, but maybe you lack the ability to make sense of it? You see, other can take tone too, but lets keep it civilized.
It shouldn't need more explanation, but maybe I have to explain for you.

Based on the current info/rumors the price of 6970/50-1GBs in CFX would be ~30-40% less than 6970/50-2GBs, and probably eve less for GTX560 SLI. Do you think people are fool to pay that much extra to get 2GBs? You see, the price plays a big role, specially when you have to pay for 2 cards!

AMD's 1GB-move has already killed those 2GBs, and 560 will come on top of that and make sure that nobody buys those 2GBs for almost double-price, ruffly.

There is no tone & any tone is in your head.

And the need for 2GB is a need for 2GB no matter if its NV or ATI.

You have not provided any links to back up your claims of AMD dropping 2GB cards & you also ignore that some need 2GB of Vram period & 1GB is not an option for the setup they have no matter how much cheaper it is.

[Sam_oslo]

There is no tone & any tone is in your head.

And the need for 2GB is a need for 2GB no matter if its NV or ATI.

You have not provided any links to back up your claims of AMD dropping 2GB cards & you also ignore that some need 2GB of Vram period & 1GB is not an option for the setup they have no matter how much cheaper it is.

I didn't say AMD is dropping 2GBs. I said, if the rumors about low-price 1GBs is true, then nobody would buy those "expensive" 2GBs. They will practically be dead/EOL. please don't change my lines, then i have to repeat myself, unnecessarily.

What do you mean by "no matter how much cheaper it is"? That's totally wrong, the price matters a lot, specially when you have to pay for more than one card. Would you explain your ideas about "no matter"-price?

[Final8ty]

I don't think it's a good idea to compare GTX560 with those old 6970/50-2GB, because the price will more likely be much less, and pretty close to upcoming 6970/50-1GB.

1)Besides, those 6970/50-2GBs are EOL soon (if not already), because nobody would buy those "expensive" cards when upcoming "cheap" cards hits the marked.

EDIT:
The real fight will be between GTX560 and 6970/50-1GB, and SLI vs CFX of these. Probably including 6990 too.

2)They are going for 1GB cards!. That's a wrong move, and I've already complained extensively about it.

Yep, you are right, that would hurt eyefinity, but if rumors about low-price 1GBs is true, then who would buy those "expensive" 2GBs?

3) I'm afraid that SLI vs CFX figures would change in nVidia's favor soon. Because AMD is going for 6970/50-1GBs for sure, and rumors says nVidia is going for GTX560-2GB. We have to wait and see the exact results, but I'm afraid you will soon wake up and find a new figure for SLI vs result.

4)I didn't say AMD is dropping 2GBs. I said, if the rumors about low-price 1GBs is true, then nobody would buy those "expensive" 2GBs. They will practically be dead/EOL. please don't change my lines, then i have to repeat myself, unnecessarily.

What do you mean by "no matter how much cheaper it is"? That's totally wrong, the price matters a lot, specially when you have to pay for more than one card. Would you explain your ideas about "no matter"-price?

1) Bad choice of word on your part.

2) A contradiction seeing as its the highres eyefinity people who would be buying the 2GB cards & what would you be complaining about when there has nearly always been 2 tiers of Vram at the mid & high end skus & further gave the impression that you had complained to AMD about dropping of 2GB versions .

3) Another contradiction in light of the context of your posts of people not wanting to pay more for 2GBs.

4) And that's what you should of said from the start but your still ignoring the need for 2GB of ram for high res & eyefinity & you have been told already that its the high res & eyefinity people that need it so that question of who is null.

[zalbard]

I didn't say AMD is dropping 2GBs. I said, if the rumors about low-price 1GBs is true, then nobody would buy those "expensive" 2GBs. They will practically be dead/EOL. please don't change my lines, then i have to repeat myself, unnecessarily.

Why would they EOL their high-end cards in favour of mid-range ones? That just doesn't make sense. 2GB gives decent gains in many scenarios.

[Sam_oslo]

Why would they EOL their high-end cards in favour of mid-range ones? That just doesn't make sense. 2GB gives decent gains in many scenarios.

You nailed right on the problem, yep 6970 is AMD's high-end card, but tell me, why is this card fighting in mainstream now?

The way I look at it, AMD has chosen to "degrade" it to 1GB to make it cheaper to fight in mainstream.

Yeah, 2GB gives decent gains in many scenarios, but based on current info/rumors, it will probably be too expensive to justify those "gains", soon. Both compared to AMD's own 1GB-prices and nVidia upcoming 560, or good price-cut on 570, or maybe other new GPU too.


If nVidia goes for a aggressive move in mainstream, which I believe they both can do and will do, then AMD has to sell the 1GB really cheap to compete. That will be the end of life for 2GB. The price-gap will get too big to justify those "gains", unless AMD drops the price on 2GB too, that will again affect 1GB-prices, in circle.

The way I look at it, AMD has already killed 2GB, practically, but all this will depend on how aggressive nVidia will get in this round.

[Final8ty]

You nailed right on the problem, yep 6970 is AMD's high-end card, but tell me, why is this card fighting in mainstream now?

The way I look at it, AMD has chosen to "degrade" it to 1GB to make it cheaper to fight in mainstream.

Yeah, 2GB gives decent gains in many scenarios, but based on current info/rumors, it will probably be too expensive to justify those "gains", soon. Both compared to AMD's own 1GB-prices and nVidia upcoming 560, or good price-cut on 570, or maybe other new GPU too.


If nVidia goes for a aggressive move in mainstream, which I believe they both can do and will do, then AMD has to sell the 1GB really cheap to compete. That will be the end of life for 2GB. The price-gap will get too big to justify those "gains", unless AMD drops the price on 2GB too, that will again affect 1GB-prices, in circle.

The way I look at it, AMD has already killed 2GB, practically, but all this will depend on how aggressive nVidia will get in this round.

You have no logic to your posts because your ignoring too many factors about the present & the past & the good reasons why it wont happen by reply's to you.

1800xt 256MB-512MB was little reason for the 512MB version but for the few who had 2560x1600 displays but yet it was still made it & 1900xt again 256MB-512MB.

4xxx series 512MB-1GB & 2GB.

5xxx series 1GB-2GB

6xxx series 1GB-2GB.


All of these cards in that are present & what were in the past are fighting the same battles as always & the mainstream battle has always been there & the high ends have always been there in spite of the main focus of the mainstream.

Your forgetting that its not all about having one GPU for each segment & its a combination of features that set them apart & not just what GPU is on it & that fact that the incremental flexibility to join multiple parts together to give higher end performance when the pocket allows that would go out the window if limited to only 1GB parts.

If NV & AMD end 2GB then that's end to 2560x1600 & multi monitor Eyefinity & NV surround gaming just when they brought such features in, because that's what your saying.

The2GB is the enthusiasts part & the 1GB is the mainstream part & is no different from the 512MB enthusiasts part & the 256MB mainstream part of gfx cards in the past.

There are some enthusiasts choosing ATI over NV purely because NV has less Vram on there cards & are worried about hitting that Vram wall.

[Sam_oslo]

You have no logic to your posts because your ignoring too many factors about the present & the past & the good reasons why it wont happen by reply's to you.

1800xt 256MB-512MB was little reason for the 512MB version but for the few who had 2560x1600 displays but yet it was still made 1900xt again 256MB-512MB.

4xxx series 512MB-1GB & 2GB.

5xxx series 1GB-2GB

6xxx series 1GB-2GB.


All of these cards in that are present & what were in the past are fighting the same battles as always & the mainstream battle has always been there & the high ends have always been there in spite of the main focus of the mainstream.

Your forgetting that its not all about having one GPU for each segment & its a combination of features that set them apart & not just what GPU is on it & that fact that the incremental flexibility to join multiple parts together to give higher end performance when the pocket allows that would go out the window if limited to only 1GB parts.

Is this in my head again, or you are using that tone again? I suggested you keep it civilized.
It's all about justifying the price, both compared to AMD's own 1GBs, and nVidia's 2GBs. There is always other alternatives for those 2560x1600 monitor, multi-monitors, and even more ...

Are you suggesting that some people HAVE to buy those 2GB and therefore they pay a BIG price-premium for that? You are lucky i don't use those tones, otherwise I would tell you something right here.

[Final8ty]

Is this in my head again, or you are using that tone again? I suggested you keep it civilized.
It's all about justifying the price, both compared to AMD's own 1GBs, and nVidia's 2GBs. There is always other alternatives for those 2560x1600 monitor, multi-monitors, and even more ...

Are you suggesting that some people HAVE to buy those 2GB and therefore they pay a BIG price-premium for that? You are lucky i don't use those tones, otherwise I would tell you something right here.

Yes its in your head im not using any aggressive or insulting words & yes people are paying more because there FPS would dive on there setups with 1GB of Vram & what are those alternatives for those 2560x1600 monitor, multi-monitors ?.

Its seems you lack first hand experience of the issue.

If you want to keep ignoring that facts about what some people need & have been doing & are doing then that's upto but don't expect other to ignore the facts too.

[zalbard]

You nailed right on the problem, yep 6970 is AMD's high-end card, but tell me, why is this card fighting in mainstream now?

The way I look at it, AMD has chosen to "degrade" it to 1GB to make it cheaper to fight in mainstream.

Using one core to fill several market segments makes sense economically.
And 2GB cards aren't going anywhere... They didn't "degrade" 6970, they are just releasing another card, and these two are not supposed to compete with each other... They are just giving people more options, so they can spend just as much as they need for their resolution while still keeping a very fast core.