Get ready for a new aquaero

[slotrod]

@sunnyville: that banner contained a Santa Claus with wishes for Christmas and a new year - of course we had to remove it

@slotrod: I have a new retailer there? That brings me directly to the question why this is the first time that I hear about this...

Ok how long has sidewinder been carrying your stuff. I realy dont think that long. If im wrong Im sorry but I still think you should have waited to announce this.

In stead of defense how about some offense. Tell us why we should be excited and will want to have this. You know i support your products and have here and other forums.

[Shoggy]

We are doing business with Sidewinder since a few years now - nothing new here. The last delivery of aquaeros is also a bit older so I don't think that this is a real disadvantage for them.

It was not my decision to release this teaser photo nor to hold back any information about the new device. I also have to deal with it. I really would like to tell you more but I can not.

[CoSm0s]

OMG Please tell me there a black bezel for it.

[Shoggy]

Yes, black will be available.

[Church]

Shoggy: please add this answer and about release due sometime in winter to first post and that no extra nfo until release. All of these been asked/answered already many times, people just don't read.

[CoSm0s]

Yes, black will be available.

can't wait for release and put my order in.

[Shoggy]

Short info: the last aquaero 4.00 has been sold yesterday

[MrToad]

Short info: the last aquaero 4.00 has been sold yesterday

The end of an era... Is quite amazing how much "juice" you managed to squeeze from that design...

In one of my builds is driving a DDC3.25, 10 fans and two flow meters. And the Aquasuite has come a long way too...

Looking forward to a new and improved iteration are you taking pre-orders yet?

[Church]

MrToad: a lot from that design - yes, but once you want to go above that - limits shown through with having to use poweramps with lesser max voltage and i sincerely wish for new aquaero to be much more powerful (to be able to drive dual pumps/or pumps like D5 too, and native 4-pin PWM support aswell, now when PWM pumps are released and native PWM fans are not that uncommon)

[MrToad]

MrToad: a lot from that design - yes, but once you want to go above that - limits shown through with having to use poweramps with lesser max voltage and i sincerely wish for new aquaero to be much more powerful (to be able to drive dual pumps/or pumps like D5 too, and native 4-pin PWM support aswell, now when PWM pumps are released and native PWM fans are not that uncommon)

All I can say is that we'll have to wait and see... For more powerful pumps AC has the Poweradjust, which is a relatively new product...

If you add too many features to the new Aquaero you make other products from the same "ecosystem" prematurely obsolete and you drive the price of the unit up, where giving it less features and adding modules like the Poweradjust for people with higher or more specific needs keeps it "affordable for the masses" yet capable enough...

I'm just making an educated guess tho, I really have no clue what direction AC is going to take with this product...

[Church]

IF i could connect Poweradjust-s to aquaero for them to work well together for managing one loop, then maybe. But IIRC Shoggy on my question on possibility of such replied that they act as separate devices with separate tabs in aquasuite, and interconnection via aquabus was not possible due limited flash memory size for firmware or something like that. But if those all act as separate devices - can i reuse data of flowmeter and thermal probes in all of them for smart regulation? Somehow doubt it, and duplicating all that monitoring hardware for aquaero and poweradjusts if it's for managing same single loop .. seems a bit not smart. Hence my wish for more power from aquaero or at least way to expand it's output by some modules (and preferably in a way that wouldn't limit max voltage, like poweramps for aquaero do). Pitty that community was not involved in development of new aquaero. And hearing from Shoggy that hardware is already completed, if some feature or spec didn't made it in, probably we will have to do with whatever they thought/guessed we might need. I can only hope that it will handle more power and have pwm outputs aswell. I'm not sold on unnecessary remote control which probably will add 25-50eur to product price.
I can understand wish for Aquacomputer to push their other products by incorporating their support, but imho aquaero is sold in way greater numbers then those poweradjusts/aquastream pumps/etc, so why not making it actually usuable/fit enough for common configurations of LC hardware that many people use? Or at very least - extendable by using extras made by aquacomputer for such combination to be possible? That should result in greatily risen number of aquaero units sold with more then offsetting profits lost by not selling those rarely bought anyway extras. And as for unneccessary/rarely asked for extra features incorporated in base product. - They might look good on paper/pics, but Will make price go up, and Will limit numbers unit gets sold.
Oh, and more on getting involved community in development process - i (and probably am not alone at that) just LOVE all cases when some LC vendor makes new product in public way here in this forum and incorporates useful suggestions in their designs (EK with several products, Boxgods with new DD res line, Iandh, Gabe from swiftech and alike). Makes liking of product/company much more then cases where we have to deal/use with whatever they make single sidedly deciding by their engineers/market researchers what They think we want to buy, sometimes deciding/choosing wrong.

[z3d.]

@Shoggy: no news?

[ON2H2O]

Something very exciting is coming!



More details soon.

Hi Shoggy

Can you provide a few more fotos of the prototype you already showed? What I see is the PCB (printed circuit board) directly behind the faceplate (Blende, German) is almost level (same height) with the faceplate. This means that mods for Lian-Li are more difficult. The Lian-Li faceplates have a small lip that curve back into the computer for a cleaner look. If the PCB is the same size as the faceplate, the Lian-Li faceplate may not fit over the front.

example showing the lip on the top, forget the front
http://www.lian-li.com/v2/tw/product/BZ-501-b.jpg

Can you post any more photos to see that PCB better or comment on this?

I also agree with someone else who suggested changing the big black buttons...but I can mod that myself in you dont' change the design

[MrToad]

@ON2H20:

Don't worry about Lian-Li fitting, it's the other way around.

The width of the front bezel opening is slightly over-dimensioned (to allow for the ODD "flap" covers to fit) where the width of the 5.25" bay itself is standard size.

So when you fit a 5.25" device what you get is a couple of mm gap each side of the bezel.

[Vinas]

Things i'd be interested to find out:
1) How many channels/max power per chan/max total output, analog or pwm regulation used
2) If it's possible to buy without that thing like remote control
3) If there will be also black front plate

Couldn't have said it better myself!

I think it looks like it will be low power/wattage in the same league as the scythe line.

If it does 35+ watts per channel I will buy two. If not I'll keep my schizophrenic Lamptron FC5.

[ON2H2O]

@ON2H20:

Don't worry about Lian-Li fitting, it's the other way around.

The width of the front bezel opening is slightly over-dimensioned (to allow for the ODD "flap" covers to fit) where the width of the 5.25" bay itself is standard size.

So when you fit a 5.25" device what you get is a couple of mm gap each side of the bezel.

I didn't talk about width, I said the top so height. I can see the width and the bracket "arms".
Unless you have seen it yourself and tried it with a 5.25" Lian-Li bay cover, I prefer to have measurements.

[MrToad]

I didn't talk about width, I said the top so height. I can see the width and the bracket "arms".
Unless you have seen it yourself and tried it with a 5.25" Lian-Li bay cover, I prefer to have measurements.

My apologies for the misunderstanding.

However, I've owned 10 Lian-Li cases since 1999 (including a lovely PC-343B) and I never had height issues with the 5.25" fascias and the bay covers. Sometimes it has been a bit of a tight fit, but not to the point of requiring any further modding.

In my latest build I have an Aquaero 4.00 (whose PCB is also in line with the bezel) on a Lian-Li PC-B10 and I had no height issues either.

A couple of builds ago, on a PC-V2010 I had another Aquaero 4.00 which fitted just fine.

[ON2H2O]

My apologies for the misunderstanding.
...I never had height issues with the 5.25" fascias and the bay covers.

In my latest build I have an Aquaero 4.00 (whose PCB is also in line with the bezel) on a Lian-Li PC-B10 and I had no height issues either.
...

I am not saying this won't fit in a 5.25" bay. I said a Lian-Li specific cover might not fit the new Aquaero if the front PCB is too tall top to bottom. Maybe you have not taken apart an Aquaero v4. The LCD PCB which is in front is several millimeters smaller on the top and bottom than the main PCB where the buttons are. That is why a Lian-Li faceplate will fit over the top.

I have included a photo of the PCBs of the older version. It's not the best picture but shows an Aquaero where I made an OLED for it (don't mind the soldering). There is ~2mm height difference where the red lines are. The display is ~4 mm smaller in height than the main Aquaero PCB behind it.

You can see the overhang/lip in the picture where I'm holding a black faceplate for an Aquaero...made from a Lian-Li faceplate. If the front PCB is too large, it won't fit.

I appreciate input but you have completely mis-understood 2x. Maybe it is clear now.

If you don't know the dimensions of the front PCB of the new Aquaero, you can't answer my question.

[MrToad]

I appreciate input but you have completely mis-understood 2x. Maybe it is clear now.

Crystal clear. Good day.

Should have ignored the post seeing how patronizing and condescending your prose is. My bad.

[Shoggy]

A Lian Li bezel will not work here like it did with the old aquaero.

I know what you mean since I also have an aquaero with the Lian Li cover

The PCB behind it has exactly the same dimensions like the cover. It also can not be modified due to technical reasons.

[ON2H2O]

A Lian Li bezel will not work here like it did with the old aquaero.

I know what you mean since I also have an aquaero with the Lian Li cover

The PCB behind it has exactly the same dimensions like the cover. It also can not be modified due to technical reasons.

Thanks, that is what I thought from the picture. I'll have to buy the new Aquaero and take some measurements

Nice faceplate in your link, did you make it? You also had the idea to hide the screws

[Shoggy]

Yes, I did that together with a locksmith. That was before I started to work for AC. Now I could do that also here. We have more than enough machines for things like that

[konkhra]

Crystal clear. Good day.

Should have ignored the post seeing how patronizing and condescending your prose is. My bad.

A Lian Li bezel will not work here like it did with the old aquaero.

I know what you mean since I also have an aquaero with the Lian Li cover

The PCB behind it has exactly the same dimensions like the cover. It also can not be modified due to technical reasons.

I dont think his post was patronizing or condescending, however I do think yours was, especially with the having "10 since 1999" knowitall bs...and he was right, you obviously didnt know what he was talking about, even after explaining 2x... would annoy anyone.

Anyway, nice to see company reps responding who do know wtf they are talking about, makes it more likely I will buy this product when it's released.

[kaytaro]

The PCB behind it has exactly the same dimensions like the cover. It also can not be modified due to technical reasons.

That sir sounds like a challenge! We will just see when I get my hands on one of these!

[amit_talkin]

any update on this? any ETA this gonna release?