Feser's New Lineup

[NKrader]

im pretty sure it would be easyer to purchase a unicorn than one of these.. altho they are from the same area of imagninationland.

[Dazmode]

That should be fun going through security with on the way back home.

Believe me that was not fun.

We had the radiator cores, but TFC took them back for some video or something.

Sorry man, you grabbed them too soon.... I came to Vegas for that for that interview! You will get sample shortly. Looking forward for your test results.

[SpuTnicK]

Interview with Feser reps about Admirals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TskRZ...layer_embedded

and a little bit of the radiator design
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqaEX...layer_embedded

[meanmoe]

hmmm... modular rad... that's different. I'm not sure if I understand the point. Does it make it more affordable? Is much surface area wasted?

[Waterlogged]

I haven't finish the video but the biggest thing I noted so far is it's basically a newer, smaller MO-RA. . .=higher restriction.

[skinnee]

Yeah, it is the Mora style (round tubes) fit into the typical radiator form factor. The tubes were too expensive to make as one piece for the length of a triple and quad, so it was broken down into single sections/modules.

[Dazmode]

hmmm... modular rad... that's different. I'm not sure if I understand the point. Does it make it more affordable? Is much surface area wasted?

You can modify your rad as you want. You can make it bigger with expansion module(s) instead of replacing entire radiator, so I expect this be a less expensive upgrade.

You also will see in Part 2, that you can do really un-usual design decisions with this modular system.

[Waterlogged]

Yeah, it is the Mora style (round tubes) fit into the typical radiator form factor. The tubes were too expensive to make as one piece for the length of a triple and quad, so it was broken down into single sections/modules.

Not just round tubes, they say in the video that the water flow is redirected sequentially back and forth through the tubes. Mario says that 1 section is = to 3.5M in travel length.

Ref 9:10 of video

You can modify your rad as you want. You can make it bigger with expansion module(s) instead of replacing entire radiator, so I expect this be a less expensive upgrade.

You also will see in Part 2, that you can do really un-usual design decisions with this modular system.

What I don't understand though is, why not just sell a base unit and then a "upgrade" unit? 2 SKU #'s for all vendors to carry instead of 1 for each size rad.

[Dazmode]

LOL. You are consistent.

[ryan92084]

those tubes are gonig to have to perform very well to make up for the lost inches everytime you add another 120 section

[skinnee]

The flow pattern will be serial on first release, with parallel being explored.

[Waterlogged]

LOL. You are consistent.

What?, I thought it was well know that I'm a high flow whore? I hate restriction!

[pluck]

Looks like a good way to make an overly complex and restrictive rad that still has to abide by the laws of physics.

[Waterlogged]

Looks like a good way to make an overly complex and restrictive rad that still has to abide by the laws of physics.

Rule #1 of German engineering dictates that you take the simplest concept and complicate it as much as possible.

I should note here before being called a racist that I'm part German and Russian so I do know a bit of what I speak about.

[Church]

So, seen first, 16min long vid.
1) Ouch. Fully sequential waterpaths .. it's gonna be Resistive (waterflow path). Expecting dual DDC tops and Iwaki pumps on the rise
2) I don't like that much space around watertubes (just like i disliked built in shroud in BI SR1 rad (and from one side only to keep thickness in check, limiting installment positions)) - imho it's better to leave choice up to user and have rad shroud to be just as wide/thick as heatercore within, so that rad can be mounted everywhere, and IF user Wants fan shrouds And has space for those, he can install those. Weird seeing that modular design to not have that thing thought out, as it should be easy to add extra rad shroud parts for different sized fans and of different shroud part distance.
3) Oh, and they too much accent on modularity being THAT important. One doesn't throw out old common design rads when their cooling capacity is inadequate after cooled hardware upgrades. One adds another rad for extra cooling capacity. Now how that is worse then adding extra section to TFC rad?
4) Also these rads because of extra length caused by middle interconnecting inserts look like will be longer then common design ones - they might not fit everywhere where rads of common design with same section count fits, OR with similar size they will have less rad area. Because of bigger dimensions (both thickness & length wise) it might be actually harder to fit more rads into many cases internally compared to common rads, loosing out in overall cooling capacity as result.

Pitty nothing been said about how resistive these rads will be to airflow, how effective they will be to similar sized common rads

[Dazmode]

Pitty nothing been said about how resistive these rads will be to airflow, how effective they will be to similar sized common rads

Skinnee is the man to lay numbers down.... Visually forest of tubes should be less restrictive for air flow, then mesh of fins.

Restriction can be estimated, I think. How much flow is lost with each extra inch of tube? Something like 0.1L per min?

[Waterlogged]

Skinnee is the man to lay numbers down.... Visually forest of tubes should be less restrictive for air flow, then mesh of fins.

Restriction can be estimated, I think. How much flow is lost with each extra inch of tube? Something like 0.1L per min?

It's each 180° bend that adds the restriction. These look as bad as the MO-RA's in that sense.

[SpuTnicK]

To compare with, here are the pics of the early design of Admirals:






IMHO that was much better that this modular design crap.

[skinnee]

As promised, a couple photos. Bad shots I know, hotel lighting and didn't have my regular camera.

[Church]

As it's been said, nothing wrong with using reasonable ammount of 90deg fittings in loop in some cases for simpler tubing routing, it's bad if All fittings are such. In last pics posted by SpuTnicK i counted 14+12(14-2 for inlets)=26*90deg fittings. It WILL impact flowrates in noticeable way.

2skinnee: can you do close-up shot on inside walls of one water tube? - are those with extra internal "fins" for better heat exchange?

[Dazmode]

I'm sure if that will be proven that the most people want single piece design, it is not a problem to make Ver 1 (fixed size) production run. Just voice your opinion.

Me personally after modular style for my gaming rig.

[SpuTnicK]

@churchy
Bear in mind, that is not a monsta rad in my pics. so number of 90deg fitings for mosta is monsta big

I'm sure if that will be proven that the most people want single piece design, it is not a problem to make Ver 1 (fixed size) production run. Just voice your opinion.

Me personally after modular style for my gaming rig.

It is not a problem for you to say so, but it is a huge one for Feser to do so.
Imho the reason they went for the second version is that is cost less to produce.

[skinnee]

2skinnee: can you do close-up shot on inside walls of one water tube? - are those with extra internal "fins" for better heat exchange?

Once I get one, these were the quick shots before Daz had to make his video in Las Vegas.

[Holst]

When I first looked at the video I didnt realize that the water went down each tube individually.

If I were making this rad I would offer a selection of different end plates for different users.
The first would be completely open with one fitting, so you would have a single pass rad with a fitting at each end. This would give very low restriction and a fitting at each end may be convenient for some builds.
The second would have two chambers at one end with a fitting in each, the other end would be open with no fittings, giving you a two pass rad with both fittings at the same end.
You could have higher numbers of passes if there was any performance advantage.

As to the effectiveness of the tubes themselves I have no idea but the fact that feser have built a rad with the water passing up and down so many times makes me question there ability.
Personally I dont think it will offer any performance benefit over a traditional rad, but I would be happy to be proven wrong

[NaeKuh]

As it's been said, nothing wrong with using reasonable ammount of 90deg fittings in loop in some cases for simpler tubing routing, it's bad if All fittings are such. In last pics posted by SpuTnicK i counted 14+12(14-2 for inlets)=26*90deg fittings. It WILL impact flowrates in noticeable way.

Meh i had the same concern when talking to the guys at feser.

B4 they let me finish, they said for the freaks like me, there would be a paralell plate to distribute the flow out paralell.

Anyhow im gonna wait for numbers b4 i pass my judgements.

But what did crack me up is listening to someone say, they had to get a full explanation on the modular design drawn on a napkin inside a hotel lobby to understand how it worked.



But it seemed interesting.... no more requirements of going off to get set size rads, but building your own in a sense as needed.

All we just need now is numbers.