Sandy bridge OC Guide

[Movieman]

Here is my chime...

This post and others like it for ASRock, MSI, and Gigabyte for new products are basically advertorials. Basically some marketing points that have been delivered by the various manufacturers and some personal experience by the user or users. I have no problems with it and everyone does it. Am I happy about it, not really as I think there is a different way to deliver the message.

The difference with the OP in the UD7 preview/review thread is that he presented marketing statements and/or false assumptions about features on our new boards without actually testing either our board or Gigabyte's board to confirm or deny those statements. As such, it is no longer an advertorial or preview but is considered to be a review. One that is fraught with inaccuracies that were pointed out by Peter and were discussed with the OP. However, he continued to push these false assumptions and so we will respond to them.

I have no issue if the "problems" he described about our new P67 boards were true, we are not perfect, nobody is, but I do have a problem when those statements/assumptions are outright false and the testing methodology is based on reading datasheets or reposting marketing slides. He made assumptions from documents and marketing slides without any scientific testing of the boards to confirm his (gigabyte's marketing message) statements. That is my problem and when it comes down to it, it should be yours also.

Honestly, if he had left ASUS out of this directly or changed his assumptions about our PWM/EFI setup based on sound test methodologies then there would not have been a response even though his assumptions about the capabilities of the Gigabyte PWM are also false in several areas. That eventually would have been brought to light by a reputable website or power user so no response from our end was even required.

I expect some negatives to be mentioned by reputable websites or power users about our boards. As I stated we are not perfect and will address those issues but at least we admit it. In fact we gave a wide variety of press members and enthusiasts the ability to test and comment on our products early on without strings attached. We had a lot of very positive comments and we had comments on areas of improvement that will be addressed in the next product cycle. At least we are open about our intentions and responses, no hidden agendas here unlike others.

bingo13 glad you brough it into your own thread. Gary you never will back off, you tried to PM me my inbox was full i emptied it. I am asking your guy here questions becuase his write up is a ASUS marketing ploy, hey here is a Sandy Bridge OC guide that actually is an ASUS motherboard OC guide/review. Its ok because I have a real OC guide I made myself after a few weeks of testing and more than one chip. It has nothing to do with Gigabyte though. This guy restated ASUS marketing, do you know what I did? i wrote my article then saw the Gigabyte media kit and used them to back me up. Actually no one had anything good to say about what I said, no one said it was wrong either. Here is what happened.

Shamino asked questions I responded, he didn't like when I put down Volterra, becuase he pushed for it in the Classy. But now he works for ASUS so you tried to get him to make me look bad.

Next bingo13 you tried to make me look bad then you made threats, then you made more threats, how do you know I didn't take the board to a university I work at and have it tested? you really have no idea who i am man. But you are right I don't have your board, but I don't think it mattetrs unless Chil totally did a 180 and change digital PWM design. Chil better than Volterra, seems that isn't true, as far as most of the community is concerned, but you are saying transisent responce is better. Well this article says different: http://www.theoverclocker.com/backis...r-Issue-09.pdf

Then a last guy came into the thread and said the way i cam e to my conclusion was wrong, but that either way could be right, and that digital pwm transient responce might be faster by now, which is a real way to say hey there is nothing wrong but it might be different now even though its not i just had to say somthing to make you look bad.

Now you hate that article saying it was written by someone that works at interstill, you , ASUS marketing Manger, were corrected by a very nice member that he was an intern at the time.

Next we move on to does it matter? Hey if transient responce was that important, how come these boards aren't VRD 12 Certified? I see it no where in your marketing, but surly if Gigabyte has it written everywhere you would think it woudl be there for you guys.

Back on topic, "OC Guide" is short of true. you don't need to turn on C1E and EIST, you don't need to lower any of the other voltage, you don't call any OC Turbo short of confusing people. Next lets get to this, a boot into windows is NOT stable don't go raising multiplier. Any overclocker knows you have to test the stability, as yes this chip boots into windows it can run benchmarks, BUT try running Prime 95 or even better intel burn Test to test for stability.

One of three things will happen:
#1 processor will do the Stability test and pass
#2 processor is not do it and give you a blue screen before it is finished
#3 Processor will over heat becuase of its ability to exceed TDP and thus thermal throttle.

Most of these benchmarkers might wanna rerun their benchmarks, as I have a few aircoolers here and some just cannot handle the heat of these processors at load.

just somthing that really bothered me.

Also not every boot into windows is stable, most are 1/2 stable, aka able to run benchmark, but may throttle, or crash.

Can you explain to us why you want to keep on C1E and EIST?

Can you explain to us the question I had about the volterra data sheet?


Now back to my question about you guys taking 8x of lanes and making it x32, isn't this where the NF200 got its bad rep for increasing latency? Also does those switches increase latency?
I guess we gotta wait for a site to bench it against each other. Pity I also have my SLI setup on normal NF200 setup, I am just going to compare it against X58 SLI, if it loses then so be it.

You know what, this retarded 'end-user' forum marketing. A while back I promised myself not to post on this forum anymore, or at least not to get involved in absolute useless debates.

I'll get back to the real OC forums like benchtec, OCA, classicplatforms and ocxtreme to discuss with real hw fanatics. So:

@ S.Bassiri: Nice thread, nice info.

@ SXS112: Nice thread, nice info.

Agendas..Will they never end?
sin0833:
Suggestion? Ignore anything that doesn't effect you..
See the politics behind some of these posts and just smile.
Bingo13:
Smarter to just make your own thread as lets be honest here,people know you work for Asus and see the posts as marketing and attacking a competitor.
Massman:
Nah, I won't say it!

Bottom line guys is right now you have a choice of the Asus board, the Gigabyte, the MSI or the Intel.
Reality is from what I've seen is that the Intel will clock the highest using the multi, the Asus will clock the highest using the BCLK( app108-110 max) the Gigabyte seems to be very good but just a tiny bit behind the Asus and the MSI I haven't seen a thing on yet so I can't comment there.
Now thats my honest opinion from what I've seen and read and I don't have any agenda at all except to find what is the best.
What would I buy myself if I was buying today?
It's a tossup between the GB UD5 and the Asus board but again, I haven't seen the MSI board so they might have a winner also.