AMD Radeon HD6950/6970(Cayman) Reviews

[Lanek]

Count on it that in the next six months nvidia will take back most of the dx11 market share it lost in 2010.

When i agree with you, sadly AMD have not aim enough high.. but..
Do you really think Nvidia will sell so much GTX580 at 450+ $ ? .even against the GTX570, AMD can decrease his price, don't forget it's a GTX580 with one SIMD cut ( or same as a GTX480 ), killing the price of thoses cards will be a financial suicide 2 years in follow ... ( untill they don't sell them enough ) ( just for gain market share ).

Ofc GTX560 is another story to come... And there AMD can push a 6930 ... for the GF104 > GF114, we can estimate it wil be same, an half GF110 with more TU/SIMD (completely unlocked ). Or.... it can be a GF110 with 2SIMD disabled, close to the 470 spec.

[Dimitriman]

God people have such a short term memory

first of all, there is no need to be so insulting towards my opinion.

secondly let me just ask you this: were you so positive thinking about nvidias architecture when the first fermi came out? did you take every point of view and look at it with a bright light like you are doing with cayman? after all, fermi is a very foward looking architecture that will really shine at 28nm...

I might sound doom and gloom but you just seem to be making excuse after excuse for Amds failure to deliver a product that is more than 20% faster than its one year old last gen. it took one year of development to barely reach the 480 but everything is positive about cayman in your argument isnt it?

Im a big amd fan especially of their radeons, but I dont lie to myself mate, I give credit where credit is due and critque where critique is due. And this round Amd needs some of the latter. Thats the reality, except for those who refuse to accept it.

just because its priced competitive doesnt make it a perfect success.
you dont see amd dominating the processor world just because it sells six core for 200$.

[mattkosem]

Both CFX reviews with <4Ghz CPUs...booooo.

--Matt

[Andi64]

Ofc GTX560 is another story to come... And there AMD can push a 6930 ... for the GF104 > GF114, we can estimate it wil be same, an half GF110 with more TU/SIMD (completely unlocked ). Or.... it can be a GF110 with 2SIMD disabled, close to the 470 spec.

I don't really see how AMD could introduce a new VGA between HD6870 and HD6950. I don't think an HD6930 will ever happen... there is no such gap between the two to justify a new product.

HD6870 is just a bit faster than a GTX460, and very near HD5870 performance, while HD6950 y just a bit faster tha HD5870... so an overclocked and full spec'ed GTX460 (aka GTX560) will be in HD6950 territory.

I think the only choice to fight a GTX560 is in a price war with Cypress PRO. IMO

[Nintendork]

first of all, there is no need to be so insulting towards my opinion.

secondly let me just ask you this: were you so positive thinking about nvidias architecture when the first fermi came out? did you take every point of view and look at it with a bright light like you are doing with cayman? after all, fermi is a very foward looking architecture that will really shine at 28nm...

I might sound doom and gloom but you just seem to be making excuse after excuse for Amds failure to deliver a product that is more than 20% faster than its one year old last gen. it took one year of development to barely reach the 480 but everything is positive about cayman in your argument isnt it?

Im a big amd fan especially of their radeons, but I dont lie to myself mate, I give credit where credit is due and critque where critique is due. And this round Amd needs some of the latter. Thats the reality, except for those who refuse to accept it.

just because its priced competitive doesnt make it a perfect success.
you dont see amd dominating the processor world just because it sells six core for 200$.

Intel's cash-cow is still the C2D. Look at the percentage of shipments, a lot of them in OEM PC + contracts for universities, government, banks, offices, etc...

Nvidia will not regain market share with the 580 and AMD is not gaining ms with the 5970 either.


Nvidia still lag at the sub $140 where all the money come from (5500/5600/5700) they recently released the 450 and seems they need another rebrand for the 6600 launch.

[STEvil]

Are there any eyefinity reviews comparing to 5xxx/68xx in eyefinity?

[96redformula]

Are there any eyefinity reviews comparing to 5xxx/68xx in eyefinity?

[H] should have a 59xx eyefinity review coming soon .....Not sure if they will have any comparisons in there.

[zerazax]

first of all, there is no need to be so insulting towards my opinion.

It's not insulting at all, it's stating the same thing over and over again and ignoring other people's answers - and my comment was directed at general people who rehash the same tired old arguments again and again.

secondly let me just ask you this: were you so positive thinking about nvidias architecture when the first fermi came out? did you take every point of view and look at it with a bright light like you are doing with cayman? after all, fermi is a very foward looking architecture that will really shine at 28nm...

Sure. The big issues with Fermi were its extreme heat and noise output for the performance. The 5xx's show that when fixed, they're damn fine cards, though I'm sure expensive to produce

I might sound doom and gloom but you just seem to be making excuse after excuse for Amds failure to deliver a product that is more than 20% faster than its one year old last gen. it took one year of development to barely reach the 480 but everything is positive about cayman in your argument isnt it?

I'm keeping people's perspective in check. The card is 15% larger than its predecessor on the SAME process node - getting 20% faster is better perf/mm^2 for sure and roughly in line with perf/W when compared to the 1GB version, better perf/W than the 2GB 5870.

Your argument would be valid if they had jumped to 32nm and produced this, but they didn't, so it's in line with what Nvidia had to do on the same 40nm process - squeeze out what performance they can on the same node. My bet is that over the lifetime of the card, with more DX11 titles and other optimizations, the card is closer to the 30-35% range over the 5870 than just 20%, much like the 480 is closer to the 60% over the GTX 285 range than the 40-50 it started out at.

Im a big amd fan especially of their radeons, but I dont lie to myself mate, I give credit where credit is due and critque where critique is due. And this round Amd needs some of the latter. Thats the reality, except for those who refuse to accept it.

just because its priced competitive doesnt make it a perfect success.
you dont see amd dominating the processor world just because it sells six core for 200$.

You're not lying to yourself - but you're also disregarding the actual reality of the GPU market.

Intel dominates for many reasons other than just price - the fact that Intel has immense support and sales power against OEMs is why they dominate. Name a single OEM that has AMD processors? Intel's market share is much bigger than AMD because of large OEM contracts AND laptop contracts.

And in the CPU realm, Intel is actually POWER competitive - that is, at 95W, it will provide the same CPU experience if not better as AMD. In the GPU realm, that isn't true - GPU power usage can range a HUGE amount. People often pick up cards 50% more power hungry to get 30% more performance for example. In the CPU world, that's just not possible and would never be accepted. Also, in the CPU world, CPUs do similar tasks far more than GPUs, where features such as multi-monitor support, 3D, physics, GPGPU, etc. vary far more greatly than features CPUs have.

GPU market share, on the other hand, show AMD and Nvidia more or less neck and neck - compare this to when AMD was 30-35% market share vs. Nvidia at 70-65% in 2008, just before the RV770 release. In fact, the latest results have AMD with a slight edge over Nvidia if you put discrete + integrated desktop & notebook GPUs together for both of them.

Discrete desktop GPU market is largely outside the OEM realm - its users like us who buy it from stores like Newegg. Thus pricing DOES matter because they aren't giving large juicy OEM contracts here, and it's card vs. card.

OEMs take into consideration: cost, performance, heat, noise, power usage, etc. - a whole slew more considerations AS A WHOLE (i.e., they look at the whole package) than a typical individual user would, who is mostly concerned with 2 main things: price and performance. Noise, heat, power, etc. are secondary considerations.

No one is calling it a perfect success - similarly, the 4800 wasn't a perfect success from a performance perspective, but it still sold great because it was priced where people wanted high performing cards.

The entire situation reminds me of the 4800 & 5800 card positioning, only this time people's hype blew the card way out of proportion, whereas the other cards were pleasant surprises

[safan80]

// Made decent-looking update. Hope u will like it Feel free to send new review links in PM.

Good job I'm impressed.

Crossfire / SLI scaling article first in the new year. I need a break until then since I've been pushing myself way too hard.

I look forward to seeing this!!!! I hope you use a lot of games 15 sounds like a good number and you better test 2560x1600

I like the techpowerup 6950 crossfire review too bad they did not do one for the 6970.

Are there any eyefinity reviews comparing to 5xxx/68xx in eyefinity?

no and in most review a comparison like what anandtech has done is sadly missing. I would like to see more crossfire and SLI reviews comparing this gen to last gen.



All and all I would say anandtech won this round. Hopefully others would test crossfire and SLI and include more freaking game and test the source engine.

[Dimitriman]

The entire situation reminds me of the 4800 & 5800 card positioning, only this time people's hype blew the card way out of proportion, whereas the other cards were pleasant surprises

all of yours and ninendodork's previous arguments about the cpu realm are perfectly valid, my example was an attempt to ilustrate how competitive prices won't always garantee success. In short, Performance sells just as well.

Here is where I think are the bright sides to cayman:
1- tesselation has improved a lot and wont hold it back as it did the 5k series for newer games
2- this new march will give a much needed boost in performance in the professional segment where Amd needs to grab more market share.
3- eyefinity performance will be a lot better with 1 card

so its not all bad imo, I just think that the improvement in gaming performance over the 5870 was too small coming from so many changes and especially having seen the improvements with Barts. you claimed nvidia only improved 20% as well but we both already agreed fermi was much more constrained at 40nm than was cayman. At the same time I also dont consider the 580 next gen to the 480 but two wrongs dont make a right and Amd could have done more to capitalize on the closeness of the 580.

So all in all I think Amd has improved somethings while not impressing much with others.Its also true that while having lower prices makes the 6900s attractive, the fact that they fall in between nvidias offerings means well see less price drops over time than we would if they all had equal performance. gtx 580=6970 @ 399$ would have been a better situation than now imo.

anyway you dont need to rebuttle me about this Im sure this is a great product to many people and Amd wont be in any risk because of it, I am just one who thought this was a good moment to ceise but it did not happen. Good thing Im only buying another card at 28nm and that should be much more interesting to look at.

[tifosi]

...an attempt to ilustrate how competitive prices won't always garantee success. In short, Performance sells just as well.

...Amd could have done more to capitalize on the closeness of the 580.

So all in all I think Amd has improved somethings while not impressing much with others.Its also true that while having lower prices makes the 6900s attractive, the fact that they fall in between nvidias offerings means well see less price drops over time than we would if they all had equal performance. gtx 580=6970 @ 399$ would have been a better situation than now imo.

...Im only buying another card at 28nm and that should be much more interesting to look at.

I have a single slot mobo. I was running a 7900GS, which was briefly replaced by a 4870, but then i was back at running a 7900GS, which is to be taken away soon and i was rather forced to buy right now.

As a paying customer(very stingy when it comes to spending on/ for myself), would i have liked more performance? That's a no-brainer ain't it? I bought a 6970. Why? well, it offers more future proofing at that price than GTX570 which it clearly outpaces at a higher resolution. GTX 580? Well... sucks to be one who's paying for it! Especially if you're gaming at 2560 X 1600, at a resolution where there's not much difference between the two in DX11 games. From that point of view it is incredible value alright. However, both have their fair share of pro's and cons. Nvidia doesn't support HD audio pass-through. AMD/ ATI had always been better at audio tech and providing a simpler solution. I'm a geek alright, but it would piss me off to pay $300 odd and $500 odd for something and then have to muck about and have a workable solution than a working one. Then again, 6970 COULD use some more horsepower... It may be drivers which are immature from new shader tech-wise, but as of now where it stands is besides, but slightly behind the GTX580. Then there's a matter of about extra $120

Yeah well, if someone gave me another video card for a while :P i would be waiting for 28nm too. However, i don't expect things to be much different. Nvidia will try again for making a behemoth of a chip, given how their CEO believes in the strategy of Big/ louder (marketing wise) better. AMD, expect the same, they'll be better at adapting to the node and would come out with new products which will give Nvidia more financial woes. In short, AMD will continue gaining market-share and Nvidia, it will bleed money as it keeps trying to hold onto its market-share. It may be different, but expect fireworks at 28nm from both. On other hand, in most of India at room temperatures, Nvidia's current chippery would have promised fireworks alright.

EDIT: Well, 8.5 TB of hdd's full of HD content (about 5 odd) made the choice rather easier XD

[EagleRock]

will i gain anything by upgrading from 4870x2 to 6970 ?

[HelixPC]

will i gain anything by upgrading from 4870x2 to 6970 ?

directx 11, less power, less heat, eye finity, more FPS, in other words, its a worthy upgrade, go for it!

[tifosi]

will i gain anything by upgrading from 4870x2 to 6970 ?

Given how crossfire is scaling now across all games (but a couple or so) and a pair of 6850's are -slapping a single 580... i'll recommend a dual card set-up. Given, if you don't mind them so much... They'll be about the same money...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-353-_-Product
times 2, that will come to $380

and $370 is what you pay for a 6970.

Unless you're stuck on a mobo with single slot, like me, then 6970 may make sense...

Also, whatever drivers improve performance in 69xx cards, will improve 68xx cards as well... so i don't see the gap in performance of crossfire 6850's and a single 69xx changing much.

[Frananta]

The problem is, peoples still want to treat AMD as an "underdog", they demand AMD create product that equally compete with Nvidia offering but sell it with a lot cheaper price. After the failure in HD 2xxx & HD 3xxx we can clearly saw AMD didn't have confidence against Nvidia, thus they selling their product cheaper than they've should do, and if this paradigm continue will going to hurt them in the long run. I've read the reviews, and 6970 is direct competitor to GTX 570, basically they're equal, in term performance 6970 lead by a hair margin, and they fall in the same price range, almost identical power consumption and temperature, so then why AMD should sell 6970 cheaper than 570?

[Andrew LB]

GPU market share, on the other hand, show AMD and Nvidia more or less neck and neck - compare this to when AMD was 30-35% market share vs. Nvidia at 70-65% in 2008, just before the RV770 release. In fact, the latest results have AMD with a slight edge over Nvidia if you put discrete + integrated desktop & notebook GPUs together for both of them.

Here are some more accurate numbers: http://www.guru3d.com/news/amd-gpu-m...clining-again/

Crazy how nVidia gained marketshare in Q3 of this year (july-sep) even though ATi had the dominant card in pretty much every price range.

No one is calling it a perfect success

Come on. You and everyone else who frequents these threads knows that if the tables were turned and this was nVidia's chance to STOMP on the competition with a massively powerful card over a year in the making after being recently trounced by a card all the critics said wouldn't be released till 2011 (GF110), you and the rest of the ATi peanut gallery would have flooded this thread with photoshoped images of houses burning down, and other crap.

I've commented on this phenomena many times over the years, on how incredibly different the ATi and nVidia crowds act when they either have a great success or an epic failure. Come to think of it, I have yet to see that type of behavior at all from the nVidia guys even though it is clear as day that ATi just spent almost a year and a half building a next gen graphics card that is actually slower than their previous generation. I believe that is historical in that of itself.

I was actually hoping for ATi to release a killer card in order to help bring the GTX580 within the purchasing range of my wallet. And as seen by the highly subdued response of the ATi fans here on this forum (and the crickets chirping)... this card was a dud.

oh... and please quit with the "power consumption" justification for this being a winner. Everyone knows global warming (now climate change. actually they recently changed it a third time) is a huge farce, and is looking to be largest financial scandal of modern history.

When I'm playing a game I want the most FPS , electric bill be damned. The last thing I'm' going to do when my framerate slows to a slide show is say to myself "wow!! look at all the electricity I'm saving!!!!".


It seems that currently most of the very vocal ATi crowd are still in the first stage of a 5 stage process typically associated with poor graphics card performance.

The five stages of grief are:

1-Denial-"this can't be happening to me", looking for the former spouse in familia places, or if it is death, setting the table for the person or acting as if they are still in living there. No crying. Not accepting or even acknowledging the loss.

2-Anger-"why me?", feelings of wanting to fight back or get even with spouse of divorce, for death, anger at the deceased, blaming them for leaving.

3-Bargaining-bargaining often takes place before the loss. Attempting to make deals with the spouse who is leaving, or attempting to make deals with God to stop or change the loss. Begging, wishing, praying for them to come back.

4-Depression-overwhelming feelings of hopelessness, frustration, bitterness, self pity, mourning loss of person as well as the hopes, dreams and plans for the future. Feeling lack of control, feeling numb. Perhaps feeling suicidal.

5-Acceptance-there is a difference between resignation and acceptance. You have to accept the loss, not just try to bear it quietly. Realization that it takes two to make or break a marriage. Realization that the person is gone (in death) that it is not their fault, they didn't leave you on purpose. (even in cases of suicide, often the deceased person, was not in their right frame of mind) Finding the good that can come out of the pain of loss, finding comfort and healing. Our goals turn toward personal growth. Stay with fond memories of person.

Get help. You will survive. You will heal, even if you cannot believe that now, just know that it is true. To feel pain after loss is normal. It proves that we are alive, human. But we can't stop living. We have to become stronger, while not shutting off our feelings for the hope of one day being healed and finding love and/or happiness again. Helping others through something we have experienced is a wonderful way to fascilitate our healing and bring good out of something tragic.

[tifosi]

I was actually hoping for ATi to release a killer card in order to help bring the GTX580 within the purchasing range of my wallet. And as seen by the highly subdued response of the ATi fans here on this forum (and the crickets chirping)... this card was a dud.

Well, there's the problem right there. Just because it doesn't make your beloved GTX580 any cheaper doesn't make the card any better or worse for that matter. The fact is, if you look at a review done with latest drivers (hardocp) at 2560 x 1600, 6970 is awfully/ ominously close to GTX580 (especially in DX11 games) and still costs about $120-$170(for accelero cooler fitted one) less. So it is your pick really, HD6870 is all you need at lower resolutions. HD6950 & GTX570 at 1920 x 1080/ 1200 and that leaves the big boys to do their own bidding.

When I'm playing a game I want the most FPS , electric bill be damned. The last thing I'm' going to do when my framerate slows to a slide show is say to myself "wow!! look at all the electricity I'm saving!!!!".

Yes, fully agree with that one ... i have a competent PSU (HX750) and well there are times i wouldn't mind if the GPU sucks a little more juice... The only issue is that the ambient temperatures where i live, in India (well 70% of it), hover slightly above 40 Degrees Celsius, which can be a bit of a with the Nvidia cards from last generation and the current ones as well. Most of us here, will be recommending HD68xx and HD69xx (in limited scenarios) where crossfire HD68xx would not be possible, that is...

[zerazax]

so its not all bad imo, I just think that the improvement in gaming performance over the 5870 was too small coming from so many changes and especially having seen the improvements with Barts. you claimed nvidia only improved 20% as well but we both already agreed fermi was much more constrained at 40nm than was cayman. At the same time I also dont consider the 580 next gen to the 480 but two wrongs dont make a right and Amd could have done more to capitalize on the closeness of the 580.

I agree they aimed too low, but that's hindsight - there's a ton of factors that go into what a GPU will end up doing. For instance, if Cypress wasn't making enough money for whatever reason - e.g. yields weren't up to par compared to a newly designed chip with new production redundancies built in, it might financially make sense to take out the product and put in a new one. That's what happened with the 580 - same size as the 480, but vastly improved for production.

And that's only part of the story - if 40nm is around for another year, who's to say that in 6 months AMD doesn't have a 6980 or 6975 or whatever. 32nm's cancellation fubared a lot of plans for people, and given that AMD was always a half generation ahead of Nvidia in process acceptance, it hurt AMD a lot more this refresh-generation than Nvidia. Remember when within a generation of GPUs, you could count on a refresh to happen eventually on a new process? A'la G70->G71, G80->G92, etc. Not anymore it appears.

Here are some more accurate numbers: http://www.guru3d.com/news/amd-gpu-m...clining-again/

Crazy how nVidia gained marketshare in Q3 of this year (july-sep) even though ATi had the dominant card in pretty much every price range.

You do realize that Intel also gained in the market share right? In fact, INTEL gained A LOT more than Nvidia did.

The biggest reason: AMD lost major OEM contracts in the notebook sector to Nvidia's 4xxM cards and Intel's i3/i5 w/ integrated GPU.

And since Intel doesn't do discrete GPUs, it's pretty clear where most of AMD's loss came from - NOT discrete GPUs

So please, spare me the following part of your post with your little self-righteous ego-stroking trolling blurb when you can't even interpret the data objectively

Come on. You and everyone else who frequents these threads knows that if the tables were turned and this was nVidia's chance to STOMP on the competition with a massively powerful card over a year in the making after being recently trounced by a card all the critics said wouldn't be released till 2011 (GF110), you and the rest of the ATi peanut gallery would have flooded this thread with photoshoped images of houses burning down, and other crap.

I've commented on this phenomena many times over the years, on how incredibly different the ATi and nVidia crowds act when they either have a great success or an epic failure. Come to think of it, I have yet to see that type of behavior at all from the nVidia guys even though it is clear as day that ATi just spent almost a year and a half building a next gen graphics card that is actually slower than their previous generation. I believe that is historical in that of itself.

I was actually hoping for ATi to release a killer card in order to help bring the GTX580 within the purchasing range of my wallet. And as seen by the highly subdued response of the ATi fans here on this forum (and the crickets chirping)... this card was a dud.

oh... and please quit with the "power consumption" justification for this being a winner. Everyone knows global warming (now climate change. actually they recently changed it a third time) is a huge farce, and is looking to be largest financial scandal of modern history.

When I'm playing a game I want the most FPS , electric bill be damned. The last thing I'm' going to do when my framerate slows to a slide show is say to myself "wow!! look at all the electricity I'm saving!!!!".


It seems that currently most of the very vocal ATi crowd are still in the first stage of a 5 stage process typically associated with poor graphics card performance.

Ok so somehow I'm part of this peanut gallery?

I'm the one who's giving those facts of the actual market, and how the GPU business goes, but go ahead and don't let facts get in the way

P.S. Want a reason why you don't see those Nvidia fans around anymore? Cause most of them all got banned in the last two years there's quite a few names there too people will remember, and the bans ought to tell you what it was like

[highoctane]

The biggest reason: AMD lost major OEM contracts in the notebook sector to Nvidia's 4xxM cards and Intel's i3/i5 w/ integrated GPU.

I don't think thats accurate, AMD had like ~62% mobile discrete while Nvidia lost down to ~38% in mobile discrete while the numbers where nearly the same for desktop discrete but with Nvidia getting the majority.

AMD actually performed very strong in mobile discrete against Nvidia but lost a chunk of mobile marketshare volume to Intel.

Nvidia took the biggest hit in the mobile sector really.

[DilTech]

Nah, it's just GTX570 that does considerably worse with resolution increase.

The ram definitely comes into play. Just for reference, monitoring vram usage on my GTX 460 during metro 2033, the VRam usage LITERALLY hit 933mb and stays around that level. Did I mention this was maxed out at a mere 1280x720?(when I say maxed, I mean WITH DOF and Tessellation + 4xMSAA, not the BS they run in reviews with DOF off)

Yeah, memory likely has a bit to do with things.

Not like we can really test though, no one's been smart enough to release a 570/580 with double the ram....yet.

If they can get their right with tsmc and global foundaries and actually make a 28nm chip then we might be talking... Thats what the long delay was because of tmsc joke if u ask me..

SkyMTL explained the delay with tsmc. It was actually due to AMD cancelling using 32nm on some of it's products that TSMC decided to skip 32nm altogether over. Basically, it's a two-way street, and both of them are to blame.

a surprise?

like this one?



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You made waking up this early TOTALLY worth it with that picture.

I should clarify my previous statement though....

AMD Definitely didn't expect the 570 to be what it is. Either performance wise, or price wise. I'm leaning towards price wise(I think they expected it to be at the $399 mark and NOT the $349 mark), and possibly somewhat on the performance segment as well. This caused AMD to have to under-cut what they expected to make off it, which I'm sure has upset them as well as their AIBs.

The problem is the price.

Seeing 6850s at $190 and 5870s and $220, there's no effing way a 6970 should be above $300

AMD was hoping to be able to get away with $449 on the 6970, they definitely didn't want to go lower than that. I think if the 6970 was priced at $349 a lot of the complaints would fall out of line. $300 at launch is asking for way too much. I don't think AMD would be making much profit at all if that was the case. While the GTX570 is a larger chip, it also uses less memory, and slower memory chips. Thus negating some of that price differential.

I strongly believe at $349 this chip would have it's place, but presently AMD know they have enough faithfuls to sell them even at this price. If just 20% of the people who posted in the cayman rumor thread bought the card, the card can be considered a success. That said, I DO think the 6950 looks like a very attractive card, and it very well may end up in my system when I build my friends christmas rig later this week.

[zerazax]

I don't think thats accurate, AMD had like ~62% mobile discrete while Nvidia lost down to ~38% in mobile discrete while the numbers where nearly the same for desktop discrete but with Nvidia getting the majority.

AMD actually performed very strong in mobile discrete against Nvidia but lost a chunk of mobile marketshare volume to Intel.

Nvidia took the biggest hit in the mobile sector really.

I'm talking about that recent gain in marketshare. Nvidia's GT 3xxM and 4xxM series GPUs are everywhere now. AMD is still on their 5-series and has been for some time

[mutantmagnet]

I'm surprised noone has posted this yet.

Kanter has done an analysis of Cayman.

http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cf...WT121410213827

[Dezmen]

I'm surprised noone has posted this yet.

Kanter has done an analysis of Cayman.

http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cf...WT121410213827

imo not a review at all...

[andos]

I guess ASUS is late with their 6970 because of this:
Quote from ASUS.com

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Aluminum label on the cover dissipates surface heat much more evenly than reference. Simply cooler!

[Kuroimaho]

a surprise?

like this one?



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Kudos man. That's the best thing what will appear in this thread.