AMD Cayman info (or rumor)

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GTX580：X1748
GTX 460：X923
GTS 450：604
HD5750：602
HD5770：722
HD5830：X845
HD5870：X1234
HD5870CF：X2350
HD6850：X899
HD6870：X1120
HD6970：X1807

Assuming all this is real then 6970 is faster then ->
HD5870= 46%
HD6870= 61%
GTX580= 3%

[Katzenschleuder]

Argh my blood is frickin boiling every time I see stupid demo-benchmarks like 3DMark getting hyped, even though it is proven over and over that they do not correlate to the relative performance of real games! All this does is that driver developer resources are wasted which would be spent on the actual games!

WHAT IN HELL IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!?!

[ripken204]

Argh my blood is frickin boiling every time I see stupid demo-benchmarks like 3DMark getting hyped, even though it is proven over and over that they do not correlate to the relative performance of real games! All this does is that driver developer resources are wasted which would be spent on the actual games!

WHAT IN HELL IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!?!

bigger = better

[mattkosem]

Argh my blood is frickin boiling every time I see stupid demo-benchmarks like 3DMark getting hyped, even though it is proven over and over that they do not correlate to the relative performance of real games! All this does is that driver developer resources are wasted which would be spent on the actual games!

WHAT IN HELL IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!?!

That might be offensive to the many people on this site that compete with those stupid demo-benchmarks.

--Matt

[Katzenschleuder]

That might be offensive to the many people on this site that compete with those stupid demo-benchmarks.

--Matt

Yeah, I bet there will be tears when I laugh about the nonsense to overclock hardware for anything other than practical use.

--WhyShouldIPutMyNameHere

[Sly Fox]

Yeah, I bet there will be tears when I laugh about the nonsense to overclock hardware for anything other than practical use.

--WhyShouldIPutMyNameHere

You know, you don't have to be overtly rude and mean-spirited to make a point.

There are other ways.

[Katzenschleuder]

You know, you don't have to be overtly rude and mean-spirited to make a point.

There are other ways.

Well I find it "overtly rude and mean-spirited" to continue to hype fancyDemoBenchmarks even though it is well known that this is hurting the industry!

welcome to a forum about overclocking,
people race cars, and some get paid alot to do it, others just call it a hobby, is that pointless too?

--Dan (thats a signature line, some people do this because its a professional habit)

A valid comparison with 3DMark (&LN2 cooling etc.) would be to achieve maximum RPMs in the idle gear of a car that is made to have fun driving with.

--Katzenschleuder with a professional habit

I enjoy Shattered Horizon and Vantage correlates well with that.

Well too bad that it is a prime example that a bling bling demo-benchmark has nothing to do with game performance:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/g...3dmark_vantage
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/s...itt_benchmarks

[Solus Corvus]

Well too bad that it is a prime example that a bling bling demo-benchmark has nothing to do with game performance:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/g...3dmark_vantage
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/s...itt_benchmarks

The magnitudes are different, representing the great difference in the type of rendered scenes, but the ranking between nvidia and ATI cards is just about right, indicating similar shader efficiency between the game and benchmark. Also the tests were run with different driver versions. I experienced a significant variation in performance between every driver I tried around that time. Try again.

[Manicdan]

A valid comparison with 3DMark (&LN2 cooling etc.) would be to achieve maximum RPMs in the idle gear of a car that is made to have fun driving with.

how is that a valid comparison, there is no idle gear, and RPM is nothing like maxing out framerates. a better comparison is maxing out horsepower while never taking it on a road, which is the exact function of a 1/4 mile race car.

i think you can calm down a little with the dislike for futuremarks hard work, and the hard work people put in trying to max out their hardware.

[Manicdan]

Yeah, I bet there will be tears when I laugh about the nonsense to overclock hardware for anything other than practical use.

--WhyShouldIPutMyNameHere

welcome to a forum about overclocking,
people race cars, and some get paid alot to do it, others just call it a hobby, is that pointless too?

--Dan (thats a signature line, some people do this because its a professional habit)

[geo]

welcome to a forum about overclocking,
people race cars, and some get paid alot to do it, others just call it a hobby, is that pointless too?

--Dan (thats a signature line, some people do this because its a professional habit)

[zerazax]

welcome to a forum about overclocking,
people race cars, and some get paid alot to do it, others just call it a hobby, is that pointless too?

--Dan (thats a signature line, some people do this because its a professional habit)

Seriously... the gall to come in here and flame people for using 3dMark on this forum

[s1nykuL]

Seriously... the gall to come in here and flame people for using 3dMark on this forum

Yup 3Dmark is not representative of real gaming, that's common knowledge. Yup a rig that can run at world record speeds under extreme cooling (DICE/LN2) has no practical use. I don't think that there is an overclocker here that wouldn't agree. However, this is XtremeSystems not practical systems.

I don't have enough time, resource or indeed the inclination/dedication required to push a CPU over 7Ghz or make a rig score a WR in some version of 3D mark. Still, I am impressed with the skill, knowledge and patience required to do such things.

Respect to those that do, for what they do, and thanks to them for making me think wow, awesome.

[Solus Corvus]

Argh my blood is frickin boiling every time I see stupid demo-benchmarks like 3DMark getting hyped, even though it is proven over and over that they do not correlate to the relative performance of real games! All this does is that driver developer resources are wasted which would be spent on the actual games!

WHAT IN HELL IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!?!

I enjoy Shattered Horizon and Vantage correlates well with that.

[[XC] hipno650]

I enjoy Shattered Horizon and Vantage correlates well with that.

I would agree Shattered Horizon is really fun and different and what do you know requires thinking and some skill to play unlike and game starting with COD.

however it would be way better if there were north american servers with more then 3 people in them... there has been a few time were out of all the servers me and buddy of mine were the only people online...

[Solus Corvus]

I would agree Shattered Horizon is really fun and different and what do you know requires thinking and some skill to play unlike and game starting with COD.

however it would be way better if there were north american servers with more then 3 people in them... there has been a few time were out of all the servers me and buddy of mine were the only people online...

Yeah, a truly unique game. And one that would be perfect to push these new 580 and Cayman cards. But for whatever reason it never took off. Very sad because it pretty much addressed nearly every "pc gamer" complaint - "games are dumbed down for consoles" "We don't need new cards if games don't fully utilize them" "it should be about skill" "Companies aren't responsive to the community" "Games are too expensive" "Everything is just a remake/copy of some other game" Etc.

[kuroikenshi]

Yeah, a truly unique game. And one that would be perfect to push these new 580 and Cayman cards. But for whatever reason it never took off. Very sad because it pretty much addressed nearly every "pc gamer" complaint - "games are dumbed down for consoles" "We don't need new cards if games don't fully utilize them" "it should be about skill" "Companies aren't responsive to the community" "Games are too expensive" "Everything is just a remake/copy of some other game" Etc.

sounds like excessive remanufacture of the same thing, now having said that I am off to listen to some demanufacture.