AMD Cayman info (or rumor)

[zerazax]

No need to get offensive. In that way the truth gets berried under childish fight. I take it as an offense to be compared to Charlie.

Your post history here recently doesn't help your cause

I don't know why they have delayed 6870 & 50, rumors says the shortage DrMOS is to blame. I don't know, but they have delayed 6990 to next year too.

These 2 delays may indicate trouble in AMD camp, but it may be just for fun too, who knows?

Let's listen to logic

Hemlock and R700 were both released a little over 2 months after Cypress and RV770, respectively.

So if Cayman was due Q4 2010, and we have November and December left... then logically, Antilles is likely due some time in Q1 2011 - meaning anywhere from January 1st to March 31st.

If they had delayed it to Q2 2011, we'd be talking - but otherwise, a roadmap placing Antilles in Q4 2010 when Cayman wasn't due til the latter half was a pipe dream at best and is a very minor detail when you consider those leaked roadmaps were written possibly 2 months ago... well 'cept to those who have seen their beloved Nvidia punished last year I guess

And since Cayman is due Q4 2010 still, and since no specific date was given initially (other than the assumed Nov 22), AMD is still in the right quarter for release - whether this was intentional or accidental or otherwise remains to be seen, but a "oh no, AMD is doomed" is the hugest joke I've read in recent memory.

After all, AMD is actually publicly promising a date - that means they are WAY confident to announce a date a month out that they're going to release a card, because the backlash if they don't deliver a good one on that day will be way worse than staying silent

[Sam_oslo]

Sam Oslo, you are like broken record. Repeating same over and over again.

He just asked me "And what 2 delays?" I had to repeat myself to answer him.

This happens often actually, some people repeat the same question becouse they want to deny the reality, in this case, to deny the fact that AMD had 2 delays. Just watch, somebody else will ask the same question again. Rather in a more funny and offensive mode.

[Sly Fox]

He just asked me "And what 2 delays?" I had to repeat myself to answer him.

This happens often actually, some people repeat the same question becouse they want to deny the reality, in this case, to deny the fact that AMD had 2 delays. Just watch, somebody else will ask the same question again. Rather in a more funny and offensive mode.

You're always the victim aren't you?

[zerazax]

He just asked me "And what 2 delays?" I had to repeat myself to answer him.

This happens often actually, some people repeat the same question becouse they want to deny the reality, in this case, to deny the fact that AMD had 2 delays. Just watch, somebody else will ask the same question again. Rather in a more funny and offensive mode.

Again, I referred to what 2 delays with Cayman? Since Antilles is just 2x Cayman, one is going to be based on the first one anyways. Not to mention the fact that Antilles never had an actual date announced other than a period within 3 months. I'd lol if the card was released first week of January

But hey, keep playing the victim, and you'll understand why people see straight through your posts

[Sam_oslo]

You're always the victim aren't you?

Some people comes with these kind of slogans, often in combination with funny comments. if I let it go, you may think you got a point with these kind of non-relevant discussion. If I answer, some may say I'm trolling the thread.

Why can't you keep the personal-stuff out of this, please attack the point, not the person. My point is, AMD had 2 delays, sorry if it sounds a repeat, but you can't deny that reality by talking about me, or attacking me.

Why does these 2 delays mean, you think? Can you please keep it to the point?

[Sly Fox]

Some people comes with these kind of slogans, often in combination with funny comments. if I let it go, you may think you got a point with these kind of non-relevant discussion. If I answer, some may say I'm trolling the thread.

Why can't you keep the personal-stuff out of this, please attack the point, not the person. My point is, AMD had 2 delays, sorry if it sounds a repeat, but you can't deny that reality by talking about me, or attacking me.

Why does these 2 delays mean, you think? Can you please keep it to the point?

I'm not trying to viciously attack you or anything. But I have noticed you tend to play the victim card a lot. I'd consider it a criticism more than attack.

If you feel that way though, I understand, no harm intended.

[ap4lifetn]

the worst part of the delay is that this thread will go on for another month with people arguing!


some food for thought:

if a 1120SP card can almost match a 1600SP card, than a 1920SP card can surely match a 3200SP card with some more optimizations (the so called 4D design) no?

[Sam_oslo]

the worst part of the delay is that this thread will go on for another month with people arguing!


some food for thought:

if a 1120SP card can almost match a 1600SP card, than a 1920SP card can surely match a 3200SP card with some more optimizations (the so called 4D design) no?

Yeah, the fun will go on longer, LOL.
I'm not sure If I catch your point right, correct me if I'm wrong. Are implying that AMD is using these delays to go back to drowning board?

[Manicdan]

I'm not sure If I catch your point right, correct me if I'm wrong. Are implying that AMD is using these delays to go back to drowning board?

hes saying that based on barts the advancement over cypress will be great, BEFORE they even factor in the improvements 4D shaders can bring

[Vipeax]

After all, AMD is actually publicly promising a date - that means they are WAY confident to announce a date a month out that they're going to release a card, because the backlash if they don't deliver a good one on that day will be way worse than staying silent

This time they indeed made it public (since it looks like these mails didn't cause NDA issues), which is the first time. Fermi was said to come in Q4 2009, likely before Cypress. It was actually out very late Q1 or early Q2 2010 o. and all we saw in Q4 2009 was some plastic cooler and a funky PCB that came from another card and was cut in 2. As long as it is done in Q4, I will be happy.

[zerazax]

This time they indeed made it public (since it looks like these mails didn't cause NDA issues), which is the first time. Fermi was said to come in Q4 2009, likely before Cypress. It was actually out very late Q1 or early Q2 2010 o. and all we saw in Q4 2009 was some plastic cooler and a funky PCB that came from another card and was cut in 2. As long as it is done in Q4, I will be happy.

Right, although in Fermi's case their November event was to unveil the white paper on Fermi's architecture, but no actual statement on launching anything was given. People just assumed that press event = imminent launch

Only Fudzilla was claiming launch dates, and they ended up being worse than Charlie

[Oztopher]

some food for thought:

if a 1120SP card can almost match a 1600SP card, than a 1920SP card can surely match a 3200SP card with some more optimizations (the so called 4D design) no?

That plus the 2GB @6GHz memory, plus... umm, yeah i don't know much about GPU architectures

[Vipeax]

You will only notice that 2GB at 2560x1200 with 8x AA or Eyefinity (sometimes 2560x1200 with 4x AA or 1920x1200 with 8x AA needs it), 1920x1200 with 4x AA or lower will likely not notice the 1GB bigger buffer.

[Oztopher]

Yeah i noticed that with the 5870 2GB, but surely the 6GHz clock speed will make a difference as well, no?

[Mechanical Man]

Yeah i noticed that with the 5870 2GB, but surely the 6GHz clock speed will make a difference as well, no?

Yes, as in, not to bottleneck gpu itself.

[flippin_waffles]

The figures we received which formed the basis of the earlier newspost were for another card in the upcoming AMD range and as such needed clarification. We cannot detail further information at this time as we are under NDA with AMD and will not break these terms. You can rest assured however that the upcoming cards from AMD are going to be absolutely stunning. Nuff’ said

http://www.kitguru.net/components/gr...ce-indicators/

[Olivon]

http://www.kitguru.net/components/gr...ce-indicators/

The HD6970 is not aimed at the GTX580 price point and therefore will not perform to the same levels. We are fairly certain that it will be a stunning value for money solution however.

Really ?

[Oztopher]

Yes, as in, not to bottleneck gpu itself.

Ahh yes, that makes sense.

To the above, looks like cayman is going to live up to the hype

edit: so does that mean it's going to more expensive than the GTX 580?

[Vipeax]

1 side (the price part) makes me think it is supposed to be between the GTX 480 & GTX 580, on the other hand the

These performance figures were incredible

part makes me think it's above it. If that's true and it is also aiming at an even higher price segment we would be talking about +500 euro/+600 USD and Antilles would then carry a 4-digit price?

[Mechanical Man]

Ahh yes, that makes sense.

To the above, looks like cayman is going to live up to the hype

edit: so does that mean it's going to more expensive than the GTX 580?

Nah, that is just to get hits. Kitguru is not really saying anything. You know the political speak.. Anyone reading will find their "news" to support their view. And when all is unfolded, Cayman performance being either more or less than GTX580 kitguru can say "what we said"...

[Oztopher]

Hah, well i'm just totally confused right now, contradicting info to say at least.

edit: i see what u mean now actually... i think the 2 posts from flippin_waffles and Olivion says it all.

[Sam_oslo]

Really ?

It's too early to say it for sure, but it seams to be the case.

If that news holds true, then AMD will probabley go for "stunning value for money" solution, which the resent Geforce GTX 570 comes soon seams to be comfirming the same point too. nVidia seams to be preparing to drop the GTX570 on it.

I've been speculating about these delays, as a possiable indication of performance-trouble in AMD-camp. It seams to be getting more clear now, but we have to wait and see he final reult to make sure.

[zerazax]

1 side (the price part) makes me think it is supposed to be between the GTX 480 & GTX 580, on the other hand the part makes me think it's above it. If that's true and it is also aiming at an even higher price segment we would be talking about +500 euro/+600 USD and Antilles would then carry a 4-digit price?

It's all political talk

If it ends up below, Kitguru said "see we told you"

of course, if it ends up above, Kitguru says "see we told you"

Politicians use it all the time. "I didnt mean half empty! I meant half full!"

Of course, that'd be a hell of a surprise if Cayman is actaully aimed at *above* the 580...

Speculating on what kitguru says (who's already inaccurate enough) and forming that as a basis for analysis has a latin word in logic for it somewhere

[LordEC911]

or both?

Both.
They want a little more time to let AIBs get Cypress based parts out of their inventory and also to build more stock for Cayman.
They had enough for a solid hard launch but giving it a few more weeks will make sure there isn't any major gouging.

If the MSRP leaks I heard from about a month ago and still valid, we will see some price drops for certain "new" products.

[eric66]

Really ?

Seriously you believe Kitguru ?