Nvidia confirms the GTX 580

[japamd]

Agreed, I just got 59k with 225fps @ Stock settings.

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I've seen similar results on other DDR5 cards, basically once you push the memory to hard performance begins to degrade as error checking kicks in.

Thanks

[hurrdurr]

Oh, so the official MSRP of 5970 is $499 now? That's cool. Still I'd go with the 580 at the same price (I'd go with 580 even 5970 was priced at $450, cos that's how much I like single GPU setups).

[tdream]

This card AMD

haha we'll see. It's definitely not deserving of the 580 moniker. 20% faster =/= next generation. Now it's AMD's turn to take pole position.

[blindbox]

Ironically, I can tell you that AMD has been sending out emails to reviewers talking about the new HD 5970 price @ ~$499 since last week. I am SURE HardOCP got those emails....plus, Newegg dropped their HD 5970 price mid last week.

That's just sad. I expect a banning spree in his comments thread.

[hurrdurr]

haha we'll see. It's definitely not deserving of the 580 moniker. 20% faster =/= next generation. Now it's AMD's turn to take pole position.

If you feel that going from 480 to 580 and gaining only 20% performance isn't enough, how do you feel about going from 5870 to 6870 and losing 10%

Yeah, 6970 will be coming, 6870 is meant to be a replacement for 5770, I know, but if you are having problems with naming, means that you worry for stupid people who don't do research and just buy cards according to names; then anyone buying 6870 would be in for a much bigger and worse surprise than one going for the 580...

And apart from those idiots basing purchases on names, naming has no effect on anything whatsoever, anyway.

[-=DVS=-]

Unless you have obsessive compulsive disorder and small discrepancies drives you nutz

Anyways back on topic , GTX580 is for time being the fastest single GPU card you can buy, AMD will need to step up if they want to win that part of market.
And nVidia needs to step up in "single card dual GPU segment" they have nothing.

[SKYMTL]

That's just sad. I expect a banning spree in his comments thread.

Not really. It is their choice to not include the HD 5970 on the basis that it is a dual GPU solution. Pricing wise; well, very few cards are that expensive anyways.

[highoctane]

If you feel that going from 480 to 580 and gaining only 20% performance isn't enough, how do you feel about going from 5870 to 6870 and losing 10%

[tajoh111]

Not really. It is their choice to not include the HD 5970 on the basis that it is a dual GPU solution. Pricing wise; well, very few cards are that expensive anyways.

How real is this price drop anyway on the 5970?

http://computers.pricegrabber.com/vi.../st=query/rd=1

Provantage and mwave have similar pricing too.

All 5970's are 600+, except a single card and brand from newegg. In Canada, the price of all the 5970s are 600+ as well.

This just seems like a move from AMD to try to discredit value from the gtx 580, by giving newegg(and only newegg) a temporary special. If this was a real price drop, wouldn't other retailers be following suit and pricing it at 500 dollars? The fact that AMD highlighted this with a special memo makes this deal suspect.

[zerazax]

How real is this price drop anyway on the 5970?

http://computers.pricegrabber.com/vi.../st=query/rd=1

Provantage and mwave have similar pricing too.

All 5970's are 600+, except a single card and brand from newegg. In Canada, the price of all the 5970s are 600+ as well.

This just seems like a move from AMD to try to discredit value from the gtx 580, by giving newegg(and only newegg) a temporary special. If this was a real price drop, wouldn't other retailers be following suit and pricing it at 500 dollars? The fact that AMD highlighted this with a special memo makes this deal suspect.

A lot of those cards u listed from Pricegrabber aren't even in stock...likewise, on Newegg, the out of stock cards don't have a price change so go figure, it might depend on how the company prices/reacts on price

[Olivon]

If you feel that going from 480 to 580 and gaining only 20% performance isn't enough, how do you feel about going from 5870 to 6870 and losing 10%

[SKYMTL]

How real is this price drop anyway on the 5970?

http://computers.pricegrabber.com/vi.../st=query/rd=1

Provantage and mwave have similar pricing too.

All 5970's are 600+, except a single card and brand from newegg. In Canada, the price of all the 5970s are 600+ as well.

This just seems like a move from AMD to try to discredit value from the gtx 580, by giving newegg(and only newegg) a temporary special. If this was a real price drop, wouldn't other retailers be following suit and pricing it at 500 dollars? The fact that AMD highlighted this with a special memo makes this deal suspect.

This is a typical price drop in an effort to clear out stocks of an EOL product. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Tha Last Meal]

Nvidia to paper launch GTX580 in a week
No chips, no hope, just spin
by Charlie Demerjian

LOL Charlie YOU ARE NOOB

[LinkinParkBoy]

lol Charlie aka Amd fanboy

[kuroikenshi]

If you feel that going from 480 to 580 and gaining only 20% performance isn't enough, how do you feel about going from 5870 to 6870 and losing 10%

I don't know of anybody who has sold their 5870 to buy a 6870, simply because know its not a linear upgrade.... period

[highoctane]

I don't know of anybody who has sold their 5870 to buy a 6870, simply because know its not a linear upgrade.... period

Well that may be taking the argument out of context, it was more in regards to Nvidias refresh deserving the 580 designation over the 480 by offering solid performance gains vs AMD 6870 replacing 5870 with less performance.

[zerazax]

Well that may be taking the argument out of context, it was more in regards to Nvidias refresh deserving the 580 designation over the 480 by offering solid performance gains vs AMD 6870 replacing 5870 with less performance.

It would also be irrelevant had AMD released 69xx's first so its a pointless argument that won't stand w/in a month's time

[Sam_oslo]

Any good price-drop on GTX480 yet, or expect in near future?,

lol Charlie aka Amd fanboy

Charlie is above the fanboy, he is a propaganda agent on payroll.
Pretty poetical, LOL.

[highoctane]

It would also be irrelevant had AMD released 69xx's first so its a pointless argument that won't stand w/in a month's time

Who cares what happens in a month, six months or twelve months, the original argument stands, 580 is more deserving its name than the 6870. If they would have given cayman the 6850/6870 moniker this argument would be irrelevant.

[Mechanical Man]

Who cares what happens in a month, six months or twelve months, the original argument stands, 580 is more deserving its name than the 6870. If they would have given cayman the 6850/6870 moniker this argument would be irrelevant.

So you base your view only on performance right?

[highoctane]

So you base your view only on performance right?

Absolutely not, however I'm not going to continue to argue semantics...

[Mechanical Man]

Absolutely not, however I'm not going to continue to argue semantics...

I really dont think GTX580 deserved, it would been better if also GTX460 would have been 5xx series as it has architechtural differencies compared to 480/470/465 but as it is now, it should not been 5xx.

AMD on otherhand, yes it would maybe been more clear to have Barts as 67x0 for now, but:



When you look at this roadmap. Is there really space for not pushing it one hundred up?

And yes, Barts has enough architechtural differencies to be called 6xxx.

PS. I see no semantics there. Im just interested in where people base their views.

PSS. Im totally happy with GTX580 performance & price.

[zerazax]

The chart pretty much sums it up for naming. Turks and Caicos (they'll probably make one of em 28nm to try out) will replace Juniper, but not for another quarter... those will properly be named 67xx and 66xx

Who cares what happens in a month, six months or twelve months, the original argument stands, 580 is more deserving its name than the 6870. If they would have given cayman the 6850/6870 moniker this argument would be irrelevant.

The point is that you're taking it without ANY context. If they had named it 6850/6870 WITHOUT expanding below and above, your point would stand. But they have a 69xx series, and are putting Fusion parts in the 63xx and 62xx numbers, and thus your argument is basically going to be irrelevant once the new naming scheme is remembered.

No one cared very much that there was a 4890 but no 5890, that there was no 4970 but there was a 5970, that the 4770 was better than the 4830, etc. so it's all selective angst right now

[highoctane]

haha we'll see. It's definitely not deserving of the 580 moniker. 20% faster =/= next generation. Now it's AMD's turn to take pole position.

If you feel that going from 480 to 580 and gaining only 20% performance isn't enough, how do you feel about going from 5870 to 6870 and losing 10%

Lets try not to blow the original argument out of context...

Why would I want to arguing semantics for product placement and naming, its not worth the effort.

[Eastcoasthandle]

Some one help me out here. Is this correct for most games:
4870>3870X2
5870>4870X2