AMD Cayman info (or rumor)

[Manicdan]

i hope no one buys a 5970, it just dosnt make sense anymore.

either go with a pair of 6870s or buy a 580.
sure the 5970 might be a little faster than 6870x2 once overclocked, but it would come with a much louder fan.

[generics_user]

i hope no one buys a 5970, it just dosnt make sense anymore.

either go with a pair of 6870s or buy a 580.
sure the 5970 might be a little faster than 6870x2 once overclocked, but it would come with a much louder fan.

2 6850s are a better choice considering that they clock like hell and are barely slower than 6870 once overclocked (barts is heavily bandwidth starved and the additional SPs on the 6870 don't do much once both cards are clocked above 1ghz core)

i hope AMD settles for some insane clocks on the mem

[SKYMTL]

People have to realize that interviews given about upcoming products will ALWAYS end up that way. I'm not sure what everyone was expecting.

At this point in time, AMD is one of two things: very worried or supremely confident. Either one of those things hinges on the public performance of the GTX 580 in relation to their internal numbers on Cayman XT / Pro. They will not even so much as mention which way their thought process is leaning due to the market implications any statement may have.

Think about it:

"Cayman will Rick Roll all over the GTX 580" : NVIDIA releases a higher clocked GTX 580, which they seem more than capable of doing.

"Cayman may have issues with GTX 580": Investors loose confidence.


So AMD (much like NVIDIA) won't say anything because it isn't in their best interest to do so. That's a good way to go about things in my books.

[zerazax]

People have to realize that interviews given about upcoming products will ALWAYS end up that way. I'm not sure what everyone was expecting.

At this point in time, AMD is one of two things: very worried or supremely confident. Either one of those things hinges on the public performance of the GTX 580 in relation to their internal numbers on Cayman XT / Pro. They will not even so much as mention which way their thought process is leaning due to the market implications any statement may have.

Think about it:

"Cayman will Rick Roll all over the GTX 580" : NVIDIA releases a higher clocked GTX 580, which they seem more than capable of doing.

"Cayman may have issues with GTX 580": Investors loose confidence.


So AMD (much like NVIDIA) won't say anything because it isn't in their best interest to do so. That's a good way to go about things in my books.

Yeah and people forget when Nvidia had the Fermi demo a year ago, and didn't see the card for months... the risk of speaking too early can hurt your reputation/image if nothing else

[Eastcoasthandle]

I can't say I agree with the 1st point though. Nvidia is well known to overclock their cards. We've seen it with the 8800 series, 9800 series, the 200 series and the 400 series to know that it will eventually happen with the 500 series. Nvidia has officially released their refresh 1st this go around. I can't see a reason why AMD shouldn't counter react to the release if they have just as good/better card(s) .

[MrMojoZ]

Nvidia has officially released their refresh 1st this go around.

They beat the 6800 cards?

[SKYMTL]

I can't see a reason why AMD shouldn't counter react to the release if they have just as good/better card(s) .

My point is that if they have a better card, then they have all the more reason to keep it under wraps until launch.

[hurrdurr]

They beat the 6800 cards?

Price segment wise, 5870's refresh should be the 6970, not 6870.

I like AMD's approach though. If someone accuses you of misleading people, tell them 6870 is the new version of 5770, not 5870. If someone says Nvidia refreshed their GPU in 6 months whereas you still haven't done so after a year, tell them that 6870 is a refresh of 5870.

[Eastcoasthandle]

They beat the 6800 cards?

Who said anything about the 6800? I'm referring to the enthusiast end. But it does put into prospective one's opinion based on their perception on current events regardless if it's right or wrong, doesn't it? In any case, the only real clue I got out of it is that they may have known about the 580 performance before release. That may or may not be true though.

My point is that if they have a better card, then they have all the more reason to keep it under wraps until launch.

When is that exactly? Did they ever release a launch date?

[Sly Fox]

My point is that if they have a better card, then they have all the more reason to keep it under wraps until launch.

Is this a hint?

[tbone8ty]

AMD needs to come out with some tid bit of news to keep my saliva running :p

looking for a black-ops bundle! hurry hehe

[MrMojoZ]

Who said anything about the 6800?

Who did? I did. The 580 isn't a refresh, it is a repair.

[Eastcoasthandle]

Who did? I did. The 580 isn't a refresh, it is a repair.

My point wasn't focused on the 6800 nor the 580 but to say that we should at least get some sort of information about the 6900 series. For example:
-an official release date
-some possible performance leaks
-some information on what features 6900 may provide
-etc
Even if AMD doesn't want to counter the 580 with benches of their own they can at least show the community something as to what one can expect and when to expect it.

[Kain665]

Why do you think you are entitled to information about an unreleased product? lol...

[Eastcoasthandle]

Why do you think you are entitled to information about an unreleased product? lol...

Entitled? I don't think that term is used correctly. Or are you baiting me? If a company is suggesting they have a product that maybe of interest I think some basic information should be made available about it. Specially when their competitor has released their version already.

[Iconyu]

Is this a hint?

Could be, if company A is scared of company B they let the marketing guys loose in the hope of doing some damage control, this pattern held true for R600 and GF100.

When a company is mostly silent, chances are, they are confident the item will sell itself. When they shout from the roof tops, that product needs marketing support.

Thinking about it, PC hardware is probably one of the few areas when quality will sell itself. Cars, food, clothing will almost always come down to taste, but with PC hardware the superior product sells.

[Mechanical Man]

I bet you would be happy only with performance number. As there is lot of other info available. 4VLIW, 32ROP, 128 Z/Stencils, TDP under 300W and under 225W. More than 1,6K shaders, 2GB GDDR5, UVD3, 3 Tesselators.

Those 4 shaders take less space and are little less performing, but save space so that same space can have more shaders than in 5VLIW config.

Only thing anymore is excact shader count thus performance.

[highoctane]

My point is that if they have a better card, then they have all the more reason to keep it under wraps until launch.

I don't know, Nvidia has laid their cards on the table so now would probably be the most opportunistic chance to steal 580's thunder by showing something about their new product.

To me it seems to be the best time for an announcement would follow on the heels of the 580 release.

[flopper]

Could be, if company A is scared of company B they let the marketing guys loose in the hope of doing some damage control, this pattern held true for R600 and GF100.

When a company is mostly silent, chances are, they are confident the item will sell itself. When they shout from the roof tops, that product needs marketing support.

Thinking about it, PC hardware is probably one of the few areas when quality will sell itself. Cars, food, clothing will almost always come down to taste, but with PC hardware the superior product sells.

If true, Apple would rule the computer world.

[SKYMTL]

I don't know, Nvidia has laid their cards on the table so now would probably be the most opportunistic chance to steal 580's thunder by showing something about their new product.

I don't think that would be in their best interest. This industry is all about price and market protection and releasing details about a product too far in advance gives the competition that much more time to formulate a response.

Then again, if they release info that proves an upcoming card WON'T perform in-line with the competition, it gives an opening for rival marketing gurus to pick the product apart before it even hits the market.

This game is all about NVIDIA and AMD keeping each other guessing.

[Manicdan]

If true, Apple would rule the computer world.

i think it would be the opposite.
they let their marketing guys loose WAY too often.

[Pantsu]

http://blogs.amd.com/work/fadcodenames/

Says Antilles is Q1 2011.

[informal]

“Cayman”
Market: Discrete GPUs
What is it? Second-generation DirectX® 11-capable GPU to launch in the “Northern Islands” family, will be branded AMD Radeon™ HD 69XX graphics processors.
Planned for introduction: Q4 2010

Seems on track.

From here .

[SKYMTL]

http://blogs.amd.com/work/fadcodenames/

Says Antilles is Q1 2011.

Well, that's slipped.

[zerazax]

The X2 cards have always come a few months after right? Trying to remember how long the 4870x2 and 5970 took after initial release