Nvidia confirms the GTX 580

[Pantsu]

GTX 580 is barely 20% better on avarage than 480 even on the leaked Nvidia slides, it definetely won't be any better than that, and it won't beat a 5970, let alone a 6990. A 6970/50 who knows?

Reviewers might not care for might be's, but it's proper to at least mention in the conclusion that a competitor will soon emerge and that's what this card fill have to fight.

ps. Some little birdies told it might be 14:00 GMT.

[marten_larsson]

I don't have any cards, but can promise you that those "thing" that AMD has chosen to cal a "new generation" will look really bad tomorrow.

Ehm, compared to what? The 6870 and 6850 are priced at about half of the GTX580 so there's no way to compare them. It's like saying GT430 is a ty card because the 5870 is muuuuch faster (but I'm not sure that argument is valid because the GT430 is a ty card compared to the similarly priced ATI/AMD offering).

The new generation of AMD is just as much a new generation as the GTX580. Both are redesigns of current architectures...

[Sam_oslo]

What "things"? Only "things" available to be compared with the 580 is Barts and they are not meant to compete, so how can something unknown look really bad?

I've already said this in the bigging of this discussion that "AMD better do something. really fast." , do I have to repeat myself in every post?

Please read this again then make a relevant comment, please.

Then that 6870X2 should be here today, because reviewers are not going to wait for it tomorrow. This GTX580 is going to destroy those "thing" AMD has chosen to call a "new generation". they are going to look like worst than "old generation" tomorrow. AMD better do something. really fast.

I agree about Cayman, it better arrive in time, and it better deliver what they promise, because otherwise AMD will be in big trouble.

[Dimitriman]

I'm saying the numbers will be out tomorrow, and AMD better do something really fast, both for AMD fans like you (and him below) and for those nViida fans who want to get a good price on GTX580. You are not answering to my point. I never said nVidia did a good job in last round, so keep it to the point, please.




I don't have any cards, but can promise you that those "thing" that AMD has chosen to cal a "new generation" will look really bad tomorrow.

Your point is AMD cant wait 10 days to release its product as scheduled because gtx 580 will be so awesome and will shake the foundations of the earth and nobody will resist waiting to see the competition.
This is where we disagree. AMD cannot sell you Cayman even if it turned out 50% faster and 50% cheaper than the 580. Youre already sold the moment you heard the very first rumour about that card and nothing AMD releases will change your mind.
What you need to get into your head is that you dont represent the average consumer and that AMD does not need to do anything fast because of tomorrows reviews because they have their own schedule and as long as it is fulfilled they will not be losing all their customers as you say.

Again if youre so sure Cayman wont be competitive you should at least share with us what everyone else doesnt seem to have - proof.

[Manicdan]

i think if AMD were to release a few leaks, it could help steer customers away from purchasing an 580 and waiting for caymen.
but honestly i doubt there will be enough 580s on the market to really make a big dent (we all know theres people out there who are buying both because they are flat out xtreme). and since caymen isnt too far away, the delay difference will not cause many sales to be lost. and its a high end part which makes up a very small chunk of the population

in the end, i dont think AMD will have many lost customers by doing nothing vs giving out every last detail.

[h0bbes]

I've already said this in the bigging of this discussion that "AMD better do something. really fast." , do I have to repeat myself in every post?

Please read this again then make a relevant comment, please.

Thanks for clarifying what those "things" are. Barts doesnt have to be compared to the 580 and nothing will be destroyed tomorrow. I agree that AMD should release the Cayman soon, but no need to be over dramatic.

[Sam_oslo]

Your point is AMD cant wait 10 days to release its product as scheduled because gtx 580 will be so awesome and will shake the foundations of the earth and nobody will resist waiting to see the competition.
This is where we disagree. AMD cannot sell you Cayman even if it turned out 50% faster and 50% cheaper than the 580. Youre already sold the moment you heard the very first rumour about that card and nothing AMD releases will change your mind.
What you need to get into your head is that you dont represent the average consumer and that AMD does not need to do anything fast because of tomorrows reviews because they have their own schedule and as long as it is fulfilled they will not be losing all their customers as you say.

Again if youre so sure Cayman wont be competitive you should at least share with us what everyone else doesnt seem to have - proof.

Is it really so difficult to catch the point? Why are you trying to translate my own word for me again, in a wrong way?

I've said already "I agree about Cayman, it better arrive in time, and it better deliver what they promise, because otherwise AMD will be in big trouble."

I don't see why you change what I've already repeated 3 times. I'm not a fan of childish fights and wolf-packs, please keep it real.

[cowie]

yeah yeah
here we go now.
wizz @ tpu = the man
holy cow it seems to go as fast as a duel chip top amd card(not that i care todays games suck)

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/N...GTX_580/1.html
hmmmm. 10 bucks says hicookie (or some other pro)goes 200k 03 single

[GoldenTiger]

yeah yeah
here we go now.
wizz @ tpu = the man
holy cow it seems to go as fast as a duel chip top amd card(not that i care todays games suck)

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/N...GTX_580/1.html

I don't get it... he said he had no review sample just a day or so ago, yet now has a full evaluation?

[cowie]

he did not want to be bugged maybe GT.

[Manicdan]

yeah yeah
here we go now.
wizz @ tpu = the man
holy cow it seems to go as fast as a duel chip top amd card(not that i care todays games suck)

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/N...GTX_580/1.html

awesome

i hope no one hates me for saying this
its a very nice improvement, but sadly this is what the 480 should have been. 12-13% better perf than a 480, with a great drop in power consumption. but still not enough to really make wish i had one, perf per dollar is near identical to a 480.

also overclocking seemed to offer very low results, maybe its time he switched to a different game to test OC settings.

[Vipeax]

I don't get it... he said he had no review sample just a day or so ago, yet now has a full evaluation?

If you don't have a card, you are likely to not have signed a NDA either.... maybe a friend was nice to him to hand it over.

[SKYMTL]

I don't get it... he said he had no review sample just a day or so ago, yet now has a full evaluation?

Well, he broke NDA so I am quite sure NVIDIA's response will be swift and brutal.

[Olivon]

yeah yeah
here we go now.
wizz @ tpu = the man
holy cow it seems to go as fast as a duel chip top amd card(not that i care todays games suck)

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/N...GTX_580/1.html
hmmmm. 10 bucks says hicookie (or some other pro)goes 200k 03 single

GTX 580 as powerfull as HD5970, really ? Quite odd review ...

Well, he broke NDA so I am quite sure NVIDIA's response will be swift and brutal.

W1zzard was not under DNA according to him

[Gilgamesh]

Also, GTX580 Sli review from Techpowerup
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/N...580_SLI/1.html

OK, now I can play Crysis

[Frodin]

Then that 6870X2 should be here today, because reviewers are not going to wait for it tomorrow. This GTX580 is going to destroy those "thing" AMD has chosen to call a "new generation". they are going to look like worst than "old generation" tomorrow. AMD better do something. really fast.

I agree about Cayman, it better arrive in time, and it better deliver what they promise, because otherwise AMD will be in big trouble.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/price+bracket

Well, he broke NDA so I am quite sure NVIDIA's response will be swift and brutal.

...If he never signed one?

[xdan]

So let's say altmost equal to 5970, consumes 10-15W more, and cost's 150-170$ less.
The price difference to 5870 is justified by performance.

GTX 580 as powerfull as HD5970, really ? Quite odd review

Why, 5970 was better 25-30% than GTX 480(in some situation). So GTX 580 is better with 17-20%(chip performance) + drivers= 25%.
Because Ati drivers didn't improve almost nothing, but Nvidia with 258.96...260.89, with 251.xx added 5-7% more performance.

[Lanek]

Well, he broke NDA so I am quite sure NVIDIA's response will be swift and brutal.

Huum i don't know if it's volontary or not, can't access it directly by the "site", Look like it was on cache, and someone find it .... ( but well he should know store the article like this is not safe )

[hurrdurr]

Perf. is 15% better than GTX 480 (87 * 1.15 = 100), with 30W lower power usage and substantially quieter cooling. Good job Nvidia, although overclocking doesn't seem to be very impressive.

[570091D]

^^
additionally, there is only 1 gpu on the card, never have to worry about micro-stutter or driver updates just to play new games.

can't wait to see what cayman has to offer, but this looks like a winner.

[Olivon]

Only 22% between HD5870 and HD5970 ?

[Carbon_Unit]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/N...GTX_580/1.html

Thanks for the link. The card looks strong, a nice drop in power consumption, not bad at all. The performance/watt is still not too good though, but a nice enough improvement where it won't bother me so much.

Will be very interesting to see what the 6970 brings to the table. I hope we know soon, I need a new card like no ones business, I'm using on board graphics right now.

[SKYMTL]

Only 22% between HD5870 and HD5970 ?

He's using 10.7 drivers for the HD 5000 series cards without the App Profiles that brought MASSIVE CF scaling improvements.

[Carbon_Unit]

Only 22% between HD5870 and HD5970 ?

I thought the average was around 30%, if you factor in games that don't scale with Xfire. Yea that does seem a bit low, but the 5970 is highly dependent on profiles/drivers so it depends on what mix of games are used.

edit - what SKYMTL posted. Speaking of, when can we expect your review?

[Lanek]

Im curious to see test with an OC 480 ...

Anyway, good job on power, tweaks anyway ....