The "Oh My, Look Who Has Pie" Thread

[Movieman]

Wow--who's Hypernova? Those are fantastic numbers a few days in a row!

Where you been?
Your just got to keep up with who's who..

[pirogue]

Argh. It seems like I'm in 10th place all day, until it's time for pie, and then I drop to 11th.

[D_A]

Moar corez?

[stoneageman]

Last daily update:
2010-11-03 16:21:45 GMT

[Bobsama]

Where you been?
Your just got to keep up with who's who..

Holy Hell! 18 Core i7's!!!

[lkiller123]

Holy Hell! 18 Core i7's!!!

Cool story bro

[WFO]

If there is anyone out there that can tell you how much I love pie, it is Goosey/ Mr.Dak (he's probably in the basement taking advantage of another secretary. Or passed out from GG. LOL), OC or Sparky. I looves my pie. Currently showing 335,769 with 161 WUs pending @ WCG for 3 days work. No love from DC-Free showing 43,144. I want pie! I want pie!!!

[D_A]

WFO, you're showing 14,468 BOINC points for the day on WCG, which puts you in 23rd position for the dailies. Got a bit of work to go to get some pie there.
Biker has 10th spot with 36,361.

[Sparky]

OK I want to throw a challenge out there - trn, dethrone EtaCarinae and take your pie back

[WFO]

WFO, you're showing 14,468 BOINC points for the day on WCG, which puts you in 23rd position for the dailies. Got a bit of work to go to get some pie there.
Biker has 10th spot with 36,361.

Please tell me where I'm going wrong for this competition. I was told WCG is the Gold Standard for stats.



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[Sparky]

The issue is there are two points systems with WCG (due to a client change in the middle there somewhere). WCG points, and BOINC points. Each BOINC point is worth 7 WCG points. So, WCG's website shows WCG points, but the pie from free-dc is in BOINC points.

Yeah, a little confusing sometimes....

[Bobsama]

http://boincstats.com/stats/user_gra...=wcg&id=716806

Daily credit: http://boincstats.com/stats/user_sta...o=&date=&or=12

On a side-note, I was the 239th top producer.

[WFO]

Umm... so are my current settings helping with SCW or do I have to change something? If I decide after this points push that I want pie, what do I have to change????

Thanks for the quick reply Sparky!

[Bobsama]

Umm... so are my current settings helping with SCW or do I have to change something? If I decide after this points push that I want pie, what do I have to change????

Thanks for the quick reply Sparky!

Moar corez.

Take two hex's and call Sparky in the morning.

[D_A]

Ok, first and foremost WCG points are not the same as BOINC credit. This catches a LOT of people. It's a long story, but though WCG uses the BOINC client/server system they credit points differently. One BOINC point is worth about 7 WCG points (but only if crunched on WCG, credit from other projects is not transferable). Credit earned while with WCG goes to your overall BOINC stats in normal BOINC points but it will show up on the WCG stats pages as WCG points. The daily pie numbers are in BOINC points, but the positions are the same either way. See if this helps(WCG are approximate):

Posn..Name...........Boinc Points.....WCG Points
1.......trn-XS............86,668............606,676
2.......Hypernova......78,081............546,567
3.......dak1640.........52,397............366,779
4.......XS_fallwind.....43,262............302,843
5.......RAMMIE..........40,013............280,091
6.......stoneageman...38,508............269,556
7.......pirogue...........38,175............267,22 5
8.......muddy101.......37,933............265,531
9.......w0en..............37,593............263,15 1
10.....Biker-.............36,361............254,527

[WFO]

http://boincstats.com/stats/user_gra...=wcg&id=716806

Daily credit: http://boincstats.com/stats/user_sta...o=&date=&or=12

On a side-note, I was the 239th top producer.

Bobsama: You just confused me even more. I not dense. Really. This is way more confusing than F@H. WTF is RAC? What is a credit target? What changes if I set one? Is there a way to convert WCG points to Boinc points? The 2nd link told me nothing.

Please extrapolate.

Edit: Ummm... this is WCG what does Boinc have to do with anything???

[D_A]

Umm... so are my current settings helping with SCW or do I have to change something? If I decide after this points push that I want pie, what do I have to change????

Thanks for the quick reply Sparky!

For maximum WCG points, you want your CPUs set to use 100% of cores, 100% of the time, keep working while the system is in use, do not suspend no matter what % the CPU goes over, in the BIOS turn off any power saving/throttling functions, turn off the screen-saver (just set the monitor to turn off) and that about covers it for all the basics.

[D_A]

Bobsama: You just confused me even more. I not dense. Really. This is way more confusing than F@H. WTF is RAC?

It stands for Recent Average Credit

What is a credit target? What changes if I set one?

Ignore that. It's not important.

Is there a way to convert WCG points to Boinc points? The 2nd link told me nothing.

Points earned with WCG will show up like this: every 7 WCG points earns you 1 (one) BOINC point and vice versa, 1 BOINC equals 7 WCG. Boinc points appear on BOINC stats sites, WCG points only appear on the WCG site.

[Sparky]

Edit: Ummm... this is WCG what does Boinc have to do with anything???

BOINC is the software they use to manage the data.

[Bobsama]

Alright.

1 BOINC point = 7 WCG points

WCG used to use a different points system when they had their own client. They stopped developing their own client and made a switch to using the BOINC client years ago.

The only place to see WCG points is on WCG's site. Otherwise, most DC stat sites (like BOINCstats & Free-DC) will display your BOINC points. What I linked to on the top is your own page on BOINCstats; it's statistics for just yourself. The Credit Target & Date Target are quick little calculators that estimate (based on your daily production) when you'll reach a points target (for example; you'll reach 100,000 BOINC points in 9.61 days--13 Nov 2010) or about how many points you'll have on a certain day (for example; you'll have about 318,000 BOINC points on Christmas Eve).

RAC stands for Recent Average Credit. It's scraped from WCG--the last week's production if I'm not mistaken. Then there's BS-RAC, which is BOINCstat's own calculation based on 8 weeks of production (if I'm not mistaken).

Remember, 1 BOINC = 7 WCG, so your 37,409 BOINC points equal about 261,863 WCG points. You get both at the same time. In addition, when you're on the Statistics page in BOINC Manager, you see your BOINC points.

[D_A]

BOINC is the Berkley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing. Like Sparky said, it's the software used to manage both the server end where they hand out the work units, collect them back and tally results, as well as the client end where it manages the actual science applications that do the work, handles communications, benchmarking and local control.
There are possibly hundreds of separate projects that can be "plugged into" the BOINC system, which is what you do when you "attach" to a project. WCG is just one of those projects.

[WFO]

For maximum WCG points, you want your CPUs set to use 100% of cores, 100% of the time, keep working while the system is in use, do not suspend no matter what % the CPU goes over, in the BIOS turn off any power saving/throttling functions, turn off the screen-saver (just set the monitor to turn off) and that about covers it for all the basics.

D A: Thanks done it already. My confusion lies in the fact this is Super Computer Week. I joined to help this points push. You can see my WCG points total over 100K ppd. Why is the Pie thread specifically targeted to Boinc points? Shouldn't Boinc points be considered a separate project and have it's own forum if WCG points aren't Boinc? Someone please connect the dots. None of it makes sense to new members.

Edit: Are my points going to the right place to help Super Computer Week? This hasn't been answered yet.

[Sparky]

No BOINC is tied to WCG as it is the software they use. A BOINC point is "generic" in one sense, it isn't an actual DC project in of itself.

The reason for the pie thread to be tied to BOINC points is the pie thread originated by using the stats.free-dc.org site. And over there, they are using reported BOINC points, not WCG points. Why, I don't know. But because of that, the pie coming from there is in BOINC points.

When SAM started doing the pie each day, he started making his own pie charts. However, to keep it in the same format as how the thread had been previously, he kept using the BOINC points.

Our overall numbers thread, and general chit-chat stuff is in WCG points for the most part. I think this thread is really the only "odd-man out" so to speak. But again, that has to do with its origin.

Yeah I agree it is a little on the confusing side at times.

[D_A]

D A: Thanks done it already. My confusion lies in the fact this is Super Computer Week. I joined to help this points push. You can see my WCG points total over 100K ppd. Why is the Pie thread specifically targeted to Boinc points? Shouldn't Boinc points be considered a separate project and have it's own forum if WCG points aren't Boinc? Someone please connect the dots. None of it makes sense to new members.

Edit: Are my points going to the right place to help Super Computer Week? This hasn't been answered yet.

Yes, your points are going to the right place.

[WFO]

No BOINC is tied to WCG as it is the software they use. A BOINC point is "generic" in one sense, it isn't an actual DC project in of itself.

The reason for the pie thread to be tied to BOINC points is the pie thread originated by using the stats.free-dc.org site. And over there, they are using reported BOINC points, not WCG points. Why, I don't know. But because of that, the pie coming from there is in BOINC points.

When SAM started doing the pie each day, he started making his own pie charts. However, to keep it in the same format as how the thread had been previously, he kept using the BOINC points.

Our overall numbers thread, and general chit-chat stuff is in WCG points for the most part. I think this thread is really the only "odd-man out" so to speak. But again, that has to do with its origin.

Yeah I agree it is a little on the confusing side at times.

Thanks for helping Sparky. So do I need to pick one project and one project only for 100% of points to be Boinc and WCG???? I'd say instructions for newbs were fubar for this points push. I still don't know if I'm helping.