Nvidia confirms the GTX 580

[spursindonesia]

LOL, nVidia's the angel of desperation (with all of their money in the bank, overall longterm market dominance, & many of kneejerk tactics using that particular dominance, those propietary bvllsh1ts), AMD's the devil incarnation that's in the mission to screw gamers all around the globe (with their 1 mil profit, great value products, and goodwill built since i don't know how long).

Ignorance at its best form.

[Rai]

What with you guys trying to antagonize other people and start flaming wars?

This new generation of fans is really making this forum a worse place.

Anyways, it doesn't give you the right but marketing wise it makes far more sense. If NV kept the gtx 4xx moniker, they would likely sell less cards because of it. This is because a lot of people put weight in naming, they would be thinking its still last generations card which is half true. This is an act of desperation for a company that has fallen behind in the development cycle when it comes to performance per watt(they still compete quite well for performance). This naming scheme has nothing to do with Jensen and everything to do with market conditions and a flawed product.

None the less your getting more performance for likely the same or less money, which in turn helps lessen the blow of AMD new naming scheme and products. Its kind of a move for AMD to shift its naming upward, just as it was a move for NV to rebrand cards.

Since your all about criticizing naming schemes by consequence of what your saying against Nvidia for trying to deceive it customers, what do you think of AMD latest naming tactics. When your beating up your competitors at selling cards, why start shifting your naming scheme so it is more confusing for customers, when you already have the advantage? Nvidia is doing part of this out of desperation and because the market demands it. Why is AMD doing it?

AMD is just doing it so people swallow the barts price easier because most people would have a hard time paying 239 and 179, when last generations 577x series were 159 and 129. It's dishonest because never in the history of ATI videocards has buying a card in the same series gotten you lower performance(besides when a naming scheme changes entirely). Still even if AMD didn't drop the price and kept barts xt priced as it is, I think all of us would have appreciated the naming scheme to stay 67xx because it is more honest. Barts codename was rv940 which for the longest time was AMD midrange. If we accept barts xt as a next generation midrange, its performance is inline where it should have been, but its price is significantly higher than people thought, as alot of people were thinking barts xt was going to be under 200 dollars.

Both naming acts are dishonest, but a lot more people are suffering from AMD naming scheming because if you do your research and all that jazz, you will likely to be able to sidestep both problems and with both naming schemes. However by pricing Barts XT for what it is, people that want to buy a card at around 150-100 are SOL and have to settle for last generations stuff as roadmaps indicate that the 57xx gen not being discontinued. AMD going to make more money, but this probably doesn't benefit the consumer.

Wow you've sure got a hate on for AMD.

You act as if there's no good reason for Barts to cost more than Juniper, as if shifting the name upstream is simply to make it easier to digest. Well duh, no kidding, 32nm process was cancelled. You know it was cancelled, you know it's on the same process, you know it has a higher BOM than the 5700 series so what else were they supposed to do? Sell them at a loss?

It's amazing they even came up with these cards given the 32nm cancellation, their execution has been spot on. Even if you don't like the cards, they have driven prices of GTX 470 and GTX 460s cards down, so everybody wins. You're always harping on AMD is charging/will charge too much for their new cards b/c of the lack of competition. Yet they released them at price so low that Nvidia had to respond by deeply slashing prices. Yeah AMD sure seem to be gouging.

Give it up, you don't have a leg to stand on, provide some evidence instead of bias.

[tajoh111]

LOL, nVidia's the angel of desperation (with all of their money in the bank, overall longterm market dominance, & many of kneejerk tactics using that particular dominance, those propietary bvllsh1ts), AMD's the devil incarnation that's in the mission to screw gamers all around the globe (with their 1 mil profit, great value products, and goodwill built since i don't know how long).

Ignorance at its best form.

What the heck, you have even said Nvidia has been desperate at one point or another. Nvidia is not so desperate because of cash reasons but products reasons. They don't have very much in terms of releases at the moment and that's what they are desperate about

Anything they launch at this point is likely going to be simply a modified version of their existing product and for the high end, if they do release anything new, its going to be a paper launch.

That's a pretty desperate situation I think regardless of how much money they have in the bank. NV been riding their professional market since the release of the gtx 280 to make money. If they didn't have that, they would be bleeding money.

What the , how can you interprete that I said AMD is evil. They are simply operating as a business, AMD(ATI a different story and have priced cards high in the past) has never had the up hand in performance and branding, so they could never price their products really high. AMD is still providing some value in their products, but not as much value has it has in the past and the value will drop if Nvidia fails to provide any competition, which I don't see coming from fermi unless Nvidia wants to sell their products at cost or a loss.

I would expect Nvidia to do the same thing(they did so in the past) and Intel is doing it now. I am not expecting AMD to act like Angels and not do the same thing. Any company would do so when the competition from Nvidia is so shotty(something a real NV fanboy would never say).

The goodwill your thinking of is meaningless. As long as your products are better than the competition, they are going to sell regardless of how evil you think the corporation is(look at Intel).

Your being ignorant to simply ignore AMD is business number 1 and anything else number 2 or lower.

[Dimitriman]

AMD, Intel & Nvidia should create football teams to make these forums all the more interesting...

[Manicdan]

AMD, Intel & Nvidia should create football teams to make these forums all the more interesting...

i think race cars would be better, in all variations, track, drag-strip, and nascar. so when one isnt the fastest one way, it can be faster another way.

[DilTech]

You know...just once, it'd be nice if we could have ONE thread for BOTH companies make it more than, I don't know, the first SIX pages without turning into a huge flame war(and usually by the usual suspects too).

I'm making this VERY clear, next one to flame anyone gets to feel my wrath. People need to quit acting like children and grow up. Unless you work for either company it's not like you're getting a check for your behavior, so why keep it up?

Don't worry, I'll be treating the cayman thread much to same way, because frankly I think it's ****ing silly that it's impossible to have a discussion on the possibilities of what new hardware might be without people starting a huge flame war over it... Perhaps it's time to start requiring legal i.d. to sign up here.

[Scottig]

let me get my popcorn... There is going to be a NERD FIGHT!!!

[Sam_oslo]

AMD, Intel & Nvidia should create football teams to make these forums all the more interesting...

LMAO; they have it already. Maybe not a physical team, but they have it inside heads.

It's really sad to see how all GPU-threads becomes like a football-match. This match works like this: If you say something negative about the other "team", then a few narrow sighted people (I call them propaganda agents) starts with funny comments, and before you now it a wolf-pack/team will be allover you with rude comments and personal attacks, and always ends up as a childish fights.

A few narrow sighted people involve other innocent people emotionally, just like a football-match, and "my team" is always right and the other one is always wrong. IThis goes further than a football-match actually, this kind of narrow sighted thinking will always end up in a war and "battle field" where you have to kill the emery, believe me.

[DilTech]

let me get my popcorn... There is going to be a NERD FIGHT!!!

I'd rather use the silence button...

[Sam_oslo]

I think we all will benefit, from a constructive discussion about (the bad and good) each GPU. We will all learn from each other and make better choices.

This kind of childish fights, and emotional involvements (that just a few known people usually starts), will hide the advantages/disadvantages for all of us.

Wee all lose in this kind of childish fights, only GPU-makers and those on their pay-list will benefit from it.
In this way GPU-makers gets away with their "tricks". You won't know disadvantages before you buy it. There is one other side too, which is a big irony, those who fight for these GPus and get involved emotionally become the biggest victims av these "propaganda agents". Because that emotional attachment makes you pay more for the particular GPU/brand that you have fought for.

[DilTech]

That's why I vote with my wallet... At the time that I'm purchasing I buy whatever happens to be best for the price that I'm paying out...

9800pro
6800GT(Won it on a bet)
8800GTX
4850 1gb(sold the 8800GTX who wanted it for SLi, actually made a profit on the switch)
460 GTX(sold the 4850 1gb to a friend who wanted it for CF)

2 ati cards, 3 NVidia cards. Whatever happens to be the best card for my money, that's what I buy. I don't care who makes it if it works as it should and beats it's competition at that price point. Sadly, more people can't seem to think in this manner.

[DilTech]

I wonder how much CPU power is needed to give this card al the juice it needs?

At high resolution with AA, I doubt we'll see too much of a cpu bottleneck going on.

I'm still hoping we see some games soon that can actually put the power to good use from both companies.

Lately even the mid-range parts have been enough for 1920x1080 with AA without issue.

[zalbard]

I'm still hoping we see some games soon that can actually put the power to good use from both companies.

Crysis 2!

[DilTech]

Crysis 2!

Then the only question we should be asking is...

will it run crysis 2?

[Sn0wm@n]

Then the only question we should be asking is...

will it run crysis 2?

been waiting for this one

[[XC] hipno650]

Then the only question we should be asking is...

will it run crysis 2?

Crytek claim that Crysis 2 will run better than the previous games while looking a little better, and considering they got it to run on consoles that just might be true....but to be honest i don't trust what they say one bit, it's gunna run bad and the new question will be as you said... "will it run crysis 2"

which makes me wonder what type of FPS will modern GPU's pull in crysis 2. the 8800gtx got demolished by Crysis when it came out and it took till now to get a single gpu that can run it at 1920x1080 all maxed with 16xQ AA, for the minor graphics improvements in Crysis 2 it better run the same as the old one... or I will be straight up mad and then I will look for a second GTX 480...

[cold2010]

GTX580 handsome picture came out, much like the Quadro 6000

[Chrono Detector]

That picture could be fake, I never really trust Chinese sources anyway.

[Mungri]

That picture could be fake, I never really trust Chinese sources anyway.

But I love sweet chilli, soy, lemon & sesame and sweet & sour sources.

[Sam_oslo]

That picture could be fake, I never really trust Chinese sources anyway.

It may be fake, but it may also be in line with my theory that nVidia is trying to keep this as a secret and drop it from the clear sky, right at Cayman.

[RacingTurtle]

But I love sweet chilli, soy, lemon & sesame and sweet & sour sources.

epic.

[N19h7m4r3]

That just looks like a 470GTX....

It could be the 580, which runs cooler or it it's fake.

Always some questionable info from these Chinese sites.

[Lanek]

GTX580 handsome picture came out, much like the Quadro 6000

Look like the 480 without the pipes and a slighty different cooler ( Nvidia reference ).. impossible to say what is it.

[marten_larsson]

It may be fake, but it may also be in line with my theory that nVidia is trying to keep this as a secret and drop it from the clear sky, right at Cayman.

That would be quite unexpected and probably not a wise choice. Nvidia needs to tell their potential costumers that they have something better on the horizon because otherwise it's a big risk they'd be jumping ship. Also, since when hasn't JHH been overly confident about new products and promoted them like there was no tomorrow.

The only reason I could see for this to be a "spy" product is if the availability is going to be minimal at best. That way they could paper launch the product and try to spoil Cayman's parade but not get the huge bash for not being available in stores.

[hurrdurr]

480SP-GTX480 reaching 95 degrees on stock - how will a 512SP card fare with worse cooling? At the same node?