The over-60Hz LCD thread.

**SergeantNathan** · 10-10-2010, 04:14 PM

I tried to find an existing thread somewhere that compiles a list of list of LCD monitors capable of proper (ie, doesn't skip frames) refresh rate support beyond the normal 60Hz. Even at 75Hz, the difference was big enough that I could notice my mouse cursor being a tad smoother, games felt smoother, plus I could run more games without VSYNC, and as long as the game ran under 75fps, I didn't see any tearing (I'm running a Dell 2209WA, BTW... see this awesome thread).

Of course, there are the 3D 120Hz monitors, but they are all currently TN models... which many of you, like me, are not so hot on. In any case, they'll be added to the confirmed list right off the bat.

Note that in order to be even put on the "unconfirmed" list, you need to confirm on your monitor's OSD that it is running at the specified increased framerate. To go into the confirmed list, you must confirm (with a pic... just use imageshack if you don't alway have a hosting service) the monitor doesn't skip frames at the increased refresh rate (make sure you have the appropriate exposure settings to capture the movement).

***FYI: Single-link DVI does not have enough bandwidth for 1920x1200@75Hz***

If you have an Nvidia card, you'll probably have to add the timing manually, using "CVT reduced blank" timing.

Here's an app that supposedly helps find skipped frames:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1423433

Please provide suggestions how to effectively use this tool for finding skipped frames if you know how, otherwise I find the easiest way to find skipped frames, if you have a good eye and a well controlled hand, is to draw circles continuously with a white cursor against a black background. Assuming you have good control of the mouse, you should see a fairly consistent gap between the cursor images in the circle. If not, the monitor is skipping frames (or, you fail at mousing).

**SergeantNathan** · 10-10-2010, 04:14 PM

Format: [Model] [Technology] [Size] [Native Resolution] [Max Refresh Rate]

Confirmed:

Dell 2209WA - eIPS - 22" - 1680x1050 - 75Hz (can get 76Hz with custom timings)
Dell E2209W - TN - 22" - 1680x1050 - 75Hz
Samsung 226BW (A panel) - TN - 22" - 1680x1050 - 77 Hz
NEC EA231WMi - e-IPS - 23" - 1920x1080 - 74 Hz over DVI, 83 Hz over DisplayPort
Samsung F2380 - c-PVA - 23" - 1920x1080 - 76 Hz
Acer GD245HQ - TN - 24" - 1920x1080 - 120Hz
Acer GD235HZ - TN - 23" - 1920x1080 - 120Hz
Alienware OptX AW2310 - TN - 23" - 1920x1080 - 120Hz
ASUS VG236H - TN - 23" - 1920x1080 - 120Hz
ASUS VH242H - TN - 23.6" - 1980z1080 - 75Hz over HDMI
BenQ X2410 - TN - 24" - 1920x1080 - 120Hz
LG W2363D - TN - 24" - 1920x1080 - 120Hz
LG W2363DB - TN - 24" - 1920x1080 - 120Hz
NEC F23W2A - TN - 23" - 1920x1080 - 120Hz
Samsung 2233RZ - TN - 22" - 1680x1050 - 120Hz
ViewSonic VX2265wm - TN - 22" - 1680x1050 - 120Hz
ViewSonic VX2268wm - TN - 22" - 1680x1050 - 120Hz

Unconfirmed:

Gateway HD2201
HP W2207
LG L227WTG
NEC AccuSync LCD224WXM
HP 2475w
HP 2275w
HP 2409m
HP 2209m
Samsung F2380
Dell U2311H
Dell 2407WFP
Asus VE276Q
LG W2353V-PF
Samsung BWX2335

**SergeantNathan** · 10-20-2010, 11:30 AM

I found a couple of threads out there touching on this topic:

http://forums.vr-zone.com/troublesho...esolution.html

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1035629235

I'll be adding theirs to the unconfirmed.

**SergeantNathan** · 10-20-2010, 11:56 AM

I just confirmed my e2209w can do 75Hz without skipping frames, as seen in this pic:

**SergeantNathan** · 10-20-2010, 01:29 PM

The Acer X193W is a no-go. OSD may show 75Hz, but did the cursor-circle test, and could easily discern the uneven distribution of cursor images. Going back to 60Hz evened it out.

**SergeantNathan** · 10-20-2010, 02:45 PM

The [H]ardOCP forums seem to have more interest in this topic, so check out that thread here:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?...post1036319818

**Cookiesowns** · 10-21-2010, 09:32 AM

Hmm would powerstrip work on a GTX480? I want to try this.

**tet5uo** · 10-21-2010, 10:11 AM

I was hesitant to go back to a TN panel, but I just grabbed some Acer GD235HZ 120hz panels and man it's nice.
It reminds me why I held on to my Trinitron CRT for so long before getting an LCD.

**Shalamay** · 10-24-2010, 11:20 AM

No known 1920x1200 monitors that can do above the 60hz yet is there or a 120hz coming out? SergeantNathan, how do I see if my monitor can go above 60hz? I have a Lenovo L220x 1920x1200 22" monitor and a 5970 (or 5870 depending on what computer I'm using).

**Shalamay** · 10-24-2010, 07:24 PM

Hey look at that my post posed it's self as my power went out as I was typing that, anyways. I just re-read the first post and see that Nathan said that 1920x1200 @ 75hz with a single DVI is not possible, so I guess my monitor can't do it. I game a lot and I was wanting to get a new 24" 1920x1200 (new desk with more room). So is it a bigger deal to have a faster responce time (like the 2ms that alot of the TN now have) or a 120hz? I think there are some 23" 1920x1080 @ 120hz out now.

**SergeantNathan** · 10-25-2010, 09:37 AM

Advertised response times should be taken with a whole heaping of salt. Look at reviews for a more realistic assessment. For gamers, "input lag" has become just as much of an issue as "ghosting". The beauty is, higher refresh rates improve both.

Some 1920x1200 monitors support dual-link (I think). Your videocard, cable, and monitor must all be dual-link. In any case, try adding a custom resolution of 1680x1050@75Hz as a preliminary test (although monitors on this list are only added once it is confirmed they can do higher refresh rates skip-free at their native resolution).

**SergeantNathan** · 10-25-2010, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Shalamay

No known 1920x1200 monitors that can do above the 60hz yet is there or a 120hz coming out? SergeantNathan, how do I see if my monitor can go above 60hz? I have a Lenovo L220x 1920x1200 22" monitor and a 5970 (or 5870 depending on what computer I'm using).

According to the manual this monitor can do 4:3 and 5:4 resolutions at 75 Hz. Create a custom 1600x1200@75Hz resolution first, confirm in the OSD (or Fraps) that it's 75Hz. Then try the the mouse cursor test (make smooth, rapid circles with the cursor... if the gaps between the trailing ghost images are uneven, it's skipping frames... first try it at 60Hz so you know what looks proper)

If the monitor skips frames even in officially supported resolutions, then there is no point trying to see if it functions @75Hz at native resolution.

**Metroid** · 10-25-2010, 10:16 AM

I discovered this 4 years ago. It can indeed do 75Hz but in my case which I never found why. The monitor degraded its performance and started having some stability issues. Maybe upping the voltage might solve the problem. Monitor is Dell 2407WFP.

**SergeantNathan** · 10-25-2010, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Metroid

I discovered this 4 years ago. It can indeed do 75Hz but in my case which I never found why. The monitor degraded its performance and started having some stability issues. Maybe upping the voltage might solve the problem. Monitor is Dell 2407WFP.

I'll put it on the unconfirmed list for now then. Thanks.

**Shalamay** · 11-02-2010, 01:02 PM

Ok, I played with my current monitor (L220x) some and it does have the option to do 75hz, but only at 1440x900. Well, I sold the monitor, so now I'm looking for a new one. Do you know of any 1920x1200 monitors that can be pushed above 60hz? If not, are there any 1920x1080 monitors larger than 24" that can be pushed above 60hz? I would really like a 27" monitor that can go above 60hz.

**SergeantNathan** · 11-02-2010, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Shalamay

Ok, I played with my current monitor (L220x) some and it does have the option to do 75hz, but only at 1440x900. Well, I sold the monitor, so now I'm looking for a new one. Do you know of any 1920x1200 monitors that can be pushed above 60hz? If not, are there any 1920x1080 monitors larger than 24" that can be pushed above 60hz? I would really like a 27" monitor that can go above 60hz.

Well, as this thread's list is meant to answer that very question, unfortunately, from the list, we see the answer is no.

That being said, the specs for the 27" Asus VE276Q says it can accept 76Hz vertical. Anyone have this model that can chime in? I'm adding it to unconfirmed for now.

**DeadlyFire** · 11-05-2010, 05:23 AM

Dell 2209WA user here confirming 75hz@1680x1050. I used Powerstrip to make the custom timings with Catalyst 10.10. 75Hz shows up on my monitor OSD, in the Catalyst control center and within games.

**SergeantNathan** · 11-05-2010, 08:42 AM

Thanks for your further confirmation, but the 2209WA is already on the confirmed list.

**NEOAethyr** · 11-06-2010, 07:00 PM

My LG W2353V-PF 23in, 1920x1080, tn panel I believe, 6 bits per color.
It does 72hz max at 1920x1080.

But...
I have to use custom monitor timings to get it to do so, I made a custom monitor driver with custom edid I make it work like this in win7.
In winxp, I used nvidia's driver cpl to get 72hz (had to mod a timing or 2).

I have gotten into service mode as well, although I haven't messed with since I set it up to a somewhat ok config when I 1st figured it out.
Managed to get the black levels and such a bit more correct.
It seems alot like an 8bit panel now, close but there's still some rare times when you can tell it's not.

I can't attach files with opera so I'll just post as code.
LG W2353V-PF.inf

Code:

[Version]
Signature	= "$WINDOWS NT$"
Class		= Monitor
ClassGUID	= {4d36e96e-e325-11ce-bfc1-08002be10318}
Provider	= %MFG%
DriverVer	= 06/28/2010, 1.0.0.1

[DestinationDirs]
DefaultDestDir=23

[SourceDisksNames]
1=%DISC%

[SourceDisksFiles]
;YourColorProfileFile.icm

[Manufacturer]
%VENDOR%	= EDID_OVERRIDE, NTx86, NTamd64

[EDID_OVERRIDE.NTx86]
%PRODUCTID%	= OVERRIDDEN-EDID.Install, MONITOR\GSM56EF

[EDID_OVERRIDE.NTamd64]
%PRODUCTID%	= OVERRIDDEN-EDID.Install.NTamd64, MONITOR\GSM56EF

[OVERRIDDEN-EDID.Install.NTx86.HW]
AddReg=OVERRIDDEN-EDID_AddReg

[OVERRIDDEN-EDID.Install.NTamd64.HW]
AddReg=OVERRIDDEN-EDID_AddReg

[OVERRIDDEN-EDID.Install.NTx86]
DelReg		= DEL_CURRENT_REG
AddReg		= OVERRIDDEN-EDID.AddReg, MODE1, DPMS
CopyFiles	= OVERRIDDEN-EDID.CopyFiles

[OVERRIDDEN-EDID.Install.NTamd64]
DelReg		= DEL_CURRENT_REG
AddReg		= OVERRIDDEN-EDID.AddReg, MODE1, DPMS
CopyFiles	= OVERRIDDEN-EDID.CopyFiles

[DEL_CURRENT_REG]
HKR,MODES
HKR,EDID_OVERRIDE
HKR,,MaxResolution
HKR,,DPMS
HKR,,ICMProfile

[OVERRIDDEN-EDID.AddReg]
HKR,"MODES\1920,1080",Mode1,,"30-83, 56-75, -,-"

[MODE1]
HKR,,MaxResolution,,"1920,1080"

[DPMS]
HKR,,DPMS,,1

[OVERRIDDEN-EDID.CopyFiles]
;YourColorProfileFile.icm

[OVERRIDDEN-EDID_AddReg]
HKR,EDID_OVERRIDE,"0",0x01,0x00,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0x00,0x1E,0x6D,0xEF,0x56,0x0B,0x5F,0x06,0x00,0x08,0x13,0x01,0x04,0xA1,0x33,0x1D,0x78,0xEA,0xEE,0x91,0xA3,0x54,0x4C,0x99,0x26,0x0F,0x50,0x54,0xA7,0x6B,0x80,0xB3,0x00,0x81,0x8F,0x81,0x80,0x71,0x4F,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x01,0x44,0x3F,0x80,0xA0,0x70,0x38,0x1F,0x40,0x30,0x20,0x35,0x00,0x10,0x2B,0x42,0x00,0x00,0x18,0x02,0x3A,0x80,0x18,0x71,0x38,0x2D,0x40,0x58,0x2C,0x45,0x00,0xFE,0x22,0x11,0x00,0x00,0x1E,0x00,0x00,0x00,0xFD,0x00,0x38,0x4B,0x1E,0x53,0x0F,0x00,0x0A,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x00,0x00,0x00,0xFC,0x00,0x57,0x32,0x33,0x35,0x33,0x0A,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x00,0x67


[Strings]
MFG		= "Life's Good"
MODEL		= "W2353V-PF"
DISC		= "LG W2353V-PF Monitor Installation Disk"
PRODUCTID	= "W2353V-PF"
VENDOR		= "Life's Good"

;70hz is the max you can get away with on a dvi with this monitor, on vga you can go to at least 72 or 75hz.
;either that or my vga driver is scaling 72hz wrong on dvi...

;1920x1080x32@60hz:
;148.500	Pixal Clock
;1920	1920	Horizontal Front End Active
;2008	88	Horizontal Front Porch
;2052	44	Horizontal Sync Width
;2200	148	Horizontal Back Porch	
;1080	1080	Vertical Front End Active
;1084	4	Vertical Front Porch
;1089	5	Vertical Sync Width
;1125	36	Vertical Back Porch

;1920x1080x32@70hz:
;161.960	Pixal Clock
;1920	1920	Horizontal Front End Active
;1968	48	Horizontal Front Porch
;2000	32	Horizontal Sync Width
;2080	80	Horizontal Back Porch
;1080	1080	Vertical Front End Active
;1083	3	Vertical Front Porch		1, 1081 (old)
;1088	5	Vertical Sync Width		1086 old, makes the value 3
;1111	23	Vertical Back Porch		28, 1114 (old), off by 5, it might of been better at -2...

;1920x1080x32@72hz: (OLD)
;211.440	Pixal Clock
;1920	1920	Horizontal Front End Active
;2056	136	Horizontal Front Porch
;2264	208	Horizontal Sync Width
;2608	344	Horizontal Back Porch
;1080	1080	Vertical Front End Active
;1081	1	Vertical Front Porch		off by 2, 1083
;1084	3	Vertical Sync Width		off by 2, 1088
;1126	42	Vertical Back Porch		the value is probably 38..., 1126


;Clock:	50-1
;Phase:	69	Monitor resets this during auto tune

;Service Mode:
;While powered off, press and hold the Menu and Fun buttons, then power on.
;After powered on press the Menu button for the service menu.

;;;Defaults:
;W2x53V
;TSUM088 VER 1.69
;090511 JSH ETI. 35

;CLEAR ETI:	NO
;AUTO COLOR:	NO
;AGING:		OFF
;PANEL:		LGD2301080
;NVRAM INIT:	NO
;HPD TIME:	500
;9300		R98 G104 B128
;6500		R128 G128 B128
;OFFSET		R146 G138 B141
;GAIN		R96 G95 B94


;Preference:
;9300		R112 G112 B112
;6500		R128 G128 B128
;OFFSET		R140 G140 B140
;GAIN		R96 G96 B96
;
;Brightness: 32
;Contrast: 48
;Gamme -50
;Clock:	50-1
;Phase:	69	Monitor resets this during auto tune
;
;Phase: 82	Allows seen secret images, seems to be the clearest to be onest
;Phase 79 seems to actually have the best noise reduction but is the blurriest, I need a digital cable lol

;	red	green	blue
;9300	112	112	112
;6500	128	128	128
;offset	112	112	112
;gain	110	110	110

The notes in that are old btw, I don't know what my actual config values are offhand.
I don't want to take a chance and have it reset certain parts of my current config to look at it either.
At least right now I don't.
I will take another shot at adjusting the levels later though, someday.

Just note that this is a decent monitor.
It does 72hz at it's highest res.
And with service mode adjustment, it can look decent.

But for the avg user, well, maybe.
But maybe you're better off with something better ^^.

I haven't seen any 8bit or 10bit panels that can do 120hz....

I think everyone here would agree that they are looking for 27in'es, 120hz and at least 8bit's per pixal...

Oh...
One odd thing though about this monitor, I think it was meant to have a remote originaly.
But I don't have no remote, I wish I did, I really do.
It could do 75hz, but only with a vga connector, it won't do that on a dual link dvi.
It think it was really out of it's comfert range...

Edit:
One more thing I guess.
If you are actually looking to buy a new monitor.
Don't buy under 23in if you want to run 1080p or higher...
I wouldn't reccomend smaller anyways.

23in is good, but 27in, well that's probably perfect.

**Cookiesowns** · 11-06-2010, 10:24 PM

I have a samsung BWX2335, I'm pretty sure its a TN panel. Runs 1080P at 70hz, max, anything higher it hits a wall where the monitor automatically drops resolutions. I'll test some more. Screenshots coming soon

**SergeantNathan** · 11-07-2010, 04:55 PM

Thank you for the posts. Unconfirmed list updated. Remember, to be on confirmed, a screen showing a lack of skipped frames is needed.

**SergeantNathan** · 01-02-2011, 11:41 PM

Updated with the Asus VH242H... the most popular monitor on Newegg.

It did 75Hz on HDMI no problem, but over DVI it went funky. I confirmed it wasn't skipping frames, but the rendering of the cursor at speed was handled much better on my Dell 2209WA. which I still think is the best overall monitor for gaming plus high quality general use.

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