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    OK, i'm taking what i said back. Had a flat battery in my DMM and relied on Asus PC Probe for the voltages readings. I knew i should not trust a soft but the fact that it showed the 12v, 5v and 3.3v rock solid made me wonder why voltage swing would only affect the other voltages, why would PC Probe not affect those three too.
    Well, i changed DMM's battery and took readings and there is no voltage swing other than .01v here and there and i suspect that's when the voltage is standing near .xx9 or .xx0
    So, to summarize, PC Probe is putting as much as .04v swing where there is almost none

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEOAethyr View Post
    @ Everyone that has fsb/ht and other mhz type of fluctuations.
    1.
    Try disabling turbo mode, and check again.
    If it fixed the probs that you wanna post back about that.

    2.
    If it doesn't, other things I can think of are:
    Set multipliers to manual instead of having it/them on auto.
    Set voltages to manual.
    Disable CnQ.

    3.
    Disable LLC, and spread spectrum settings.

    4.
    Those are the only other things I can think of.
    It's probably turbo mode though...


    My rant below, if you can't read then don't lol :
    What gets me is, I'm not sure that we have a real prob.
    It could be possible when a program reads a value (voltage or mhz), that if the interval between reads is to quick, the result could be "undefined result" as they say.

    The fsb/ht clocks might be baised off some pci reg, mem offset, or msr.
    If that were the case then there could be up to say 3 bytes total for the value, one of those may even be a multiplier/dividor value that takes the main value and mutltiplies it by it's value.
    Like by 01h which could be, 1mhz, or even 0.016mhz, whatever.
    If anyone of those reads back incorrectly then the whole reading is offset by whatever amount.

    Or...
    It could be much simpler then this ^^.
    This is what I bet is happening.

    Everest for example, is reading the cpu multiplier, from msr or pci reg (note we have 6 cores... ^^).
    And then it takes that known multiplier value and divides it down by the current cpu clock, getting the fsb/ht value.
    Ie, 250x10 = 2500, 2500 / 10 = 250mhz fsb...

    It's probably using a real time clock msr or apci timer to find the cpu clock to divide with.

    Now, here's the issue, we got 6 cores.
    It's possible that there's times that it gets the whole algo wrong because it's dividing by a cpu clock that is incorrect, ie turbo mode...

    Lets see if I can think of some good examples.
    200x10 normal mode, x11 = turbo.
    Interval say is speced at 1000ms, but everest is reading it at 100ms (example only).

    So...
    2000 / 10 = 200
    2200 / 11 = 200
    2200 / 10 = 220
    Everest knows the msr for the cpu mutli is 10x, but the cpu clock still hasn't died down to 2000mhz yet.
    So the fsb result is 220mhz, which is incorrect ^^.

    In this example it might happen 2 out of 10 times, each of the 2 times is diff.
    Say one is like the above example, and the other could be 2000 / 11.

    In real life I think it might be 1 out of 4 reading are incorrect, or 1 out of 8 (2 of 8 being incorrect in total possibly).

    That is what I think is going on.
    That and being that I have 6 cores, getting them all to divide correctly into the fsb using the real time cpu clocks and multipliers, well, it's no wonder this is happening.

    At least I think...

    This I think explains why most programs don't pick up on it, because there read interval is slow enough not to get messed up.

    I believe the cpu pwr state switching interval is around 10ms (guessing).
    I doubt you're supposed to read it that fast though.
    And it's more then 1 reg that needs to be read out.
    Plus the code that does all of this (everest for example), I think there's room in there for the error to happen and the reason why we see all of the clocks that are dependent on the cpu/fsb as varient all messed up sometimes.

    To put it simply.
    We might not have any prob at all.
    The only real prob is the switching speeds and software reading speeds.

    I'm gonna check xp/2k3 to see if I see the prob there.
    Because thw switching speed in that os for pwr states is likely diffrent from win7, at least a little bit.
    1. I have a 965BE, it's automatically off.

    2. I do all of that, as I am an overclocker and don't like C&Q much as well.

    3. LLC is ENABLED, as vdroop is horrible on this board. Spread Spectrum is disabled.

    4. It's not turbo mode

    As for the rant about programs reading too slow and not seeing it, CPU-Z's polling rate is roughly 2500ms. It sees it, as well as AMD overdrive which is more around 200ms.

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRun View Post
    OK, i'm taking what i said back. Had a flat battery in my DMM and relied on Asus PC Probe for the voltages readings. I knew i should not trust a soft but the fact that it showed the 12v, 5v and 3.3v rock solid made me wonder why voltage swing would only affect the other voltages, why would PC Probe not affect those three too.
    Well, i changed DMM's battery and took readings and there is no voltage swing other than .01v here and there and i suspect that's when the voltage is standing near .xx9 or .xx0
    So, to summarize, PC Probe is putting as much as .04v swing where there is almost none
    I suspected this all along, CPUZ only reports in .012v swings, and every time it goes from 1.512v to 1.524v or 1.536v people tend to freak out about it. Basically if the voltage is moving from 1.517v to 1.519v it's going to read a .012v change when it's really .002v.
    Last edited by BeepBeep2; 10-23-2010 at 11:35 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeepBeep2 View Post


    I suspected this all along, CPUZ only reports in .012v swings, and every time it goes from 1.512v to 1.524v or 1.536v people tend to freak out about it. Basically if the voltage is moving from 1.517v to 1.519v it's going to read a .012v change when it's really .002v.
    Seriously their software is not making their hardware look good

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    Quote Originally Posted by LowRun View Post
    Seriously their software is not making their hardware look good
    It's a limitation of all voltage reading software. HWMonitor, CPU-Z, etc all do the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeepBeep2 View Post
    It's a limitation of all voltage reading software. HWMonitor, CPU-Z, etc all do the same thing.
    Of course it's a software limitation, been known for ages, what i'm getting at is that PC Probe is even more inaccurate (way more i should add) despite the fact that it is an Asus software.

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    You can't really blame asus for there software, I doubt they will pay someone to re-make it and doit right.

    Heck man, I never did get the x-fi software working :\.
    Says I got an unsupported sound card lol.
    I'm not sure why they even put the x-fi sticker on that via chip in the 1st place...
    Must work somehow lmao.


    Hwinfo32 and everest are the way to go.
    Or hwmonitor if you don't need some of the extra sensor stuff.

    Speedfan, well, best of luck to you on that one.
    In the past that has had buggy smbus scanning code.
    I would stay away from that one..., but whatever floats your boat.

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    hey asus's turbo-v is 9999999999999999999999999x better than amd overdrive at changing stuff

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    Polling rates, yeah ... I like them fast .
    I thaught it was an issue with the fsb/etc readings in everest, to fast and mucked it up... (could of been fast and not muck it up)
    I didn't notice the prob in cpu-z.
    Didn't show up in thg clock.
    I haven't tried amd's program in a long time, last time I knew it was kinda decent.

    I only know that turbo mode is effected.
    I don't think it's software, cpu-z, everest, whatever it shows up in.

    In my install of win2k3, with turbo enabled, no fluctuation (stuck in turbo right now though).
    In win7, up to 400mhz fluctuation on my ht/cpu-nb at 275mhz fsb, with turbo (yeppers.. freaking huge..).

    In win7, no turbo mode, no fluctuation.
    I still have the other pwr states active, it still uses 4x, 8x and so on, just that the last pwr state, turbo, is disabled :|.

    I put win7 into permament turbo mode (turbo enabled with everything else, but turbo enforced at all times), just like my win2k3 install, but still had the fluctuation ^^.

    I have no clue what's going on.
    Possible to fix in windows somehow maybe, but maybe it's turbo I dn.

    One thing, I haven't ran the cmd line ver for the pwr profile manager thingy in win7 to make sure the config was the exact same as my win2k3's setup to test with.
    I can't remember the name of it off hand.

    I dn, that's all I've found out so far about this fsb(everything mhz related kinda) fluctuation thing on my board.
    Oh and one other thing, I've personally only noticed the odd readings in everest and aida64, but only in win7 so far.
    Same programs though with turbo off and no probs.

    Also that if I match the multiplier I used to use while in turbomode, say 4.125ghz, no fluctation.
    What the heck right ?

    No turbo for me until the next bios probably lol, or whatever .
    I'm just gonna keep it off for now.
    For some reason I'm able to up my pcie speed back to 150mhz again with my 240gt, and without increasing my pcie voltage at all so far :\.
    Related, I dn :\.

    That and my mem latency benchmark results in everest are a tiny bit more reliable, lower on avg then before.

    Just wierdness.
    Last edited by NEOAethyr; 10-23-2010 at 11:34 PM.

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    Hi guys,

    Since removing my extra 2 sticks of memory I'm still having issues with booting though so far no in-system instability is noticable.

    I've started to notice that the 0055 bios is disabling one of my cores and this is without me overclocking. I set this back but it returns to using only 5 cores.

    Any ideas?

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    Maybe it was a microcode update or something ???

    Have you tried forcing the cores to enable?
    Using the core unlock thingy in the cpu settings menu.

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    It's gone very quiet on the BIOS front no news at all. My m8 is getting a new BIOS from Asus for the Crosshair IV but that is just to fix a problem with his graphics cards, it will probably be based on 1102.
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    I'd like to know which bios version for the Crosshair IV Formula is best suited for RAM with Elpida Hyper chips.
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    1702 BIOS for M3A79-T Deluxe still doesn't have Turbo OFF option in BIOS
    Anyone knows if 1609 has this Turbo OFF option ?

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    I have not heard back from bingo in a long time. Don't know what happened.
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    Still there are problems with AOD, the setings reset every time i restart the PC; so no Turbo OFF option in bios and no software alternative cose of AOD problems.
    And btw the Turbo function works faulty it supose to increse from 3200 ( 6 cores) to 3600 ( 3 cores ) and the rest 800 but with my board ( m3a79-t deluxe 1702 bios ) works like turbo function+CnQ+C1E in same time( CnQ and C1E are disabled ), some 800mhz some 2400mhz some 3611 mhz all in same time.
    Maybe i get it wrong , but thats a big maybe and it doesn't excuse for the lack of turbo off option in bios.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skill123 View Post
    Still there are problems with AOD, the setings reset every time i restart the PC; so no Turbo OFF option in bios and no software alternative cose of AOD problems.
    And btw the Turbo function works faulty it supose to increse from 3200 ( 6 cores) to 3600 ( 3 cores ) and the rest 800 but with my board ( m3a79-t deluxe 1702 bios ) works like turbo function+CnQ+C1E in same time( CnQ and C1E are disabled ), some 800mhz some 2400mhz some 3611 mhz all in same time.
    Maybe i get it wrong , but thats a big maybe and it doesn't excuse for the lack of turbo off option in bios.
    Unfortunately, Bingo13 appears to be having unfortunate family issues (see previous posts).

    Fortunately, X6 support for the m3a79t Deluxe is now official, at least for the 1045T (95 watt) and 1075T (125 watt). Thus you could also post this on the regular asus forum http://vip.asus.com/forum/topic.aspx...luxe&product=1
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    Last time I heard, things got better. I'm guessing they didn't
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    Yes, i saw that they finally updated the support CPU list but the strange thing is that the older models like 1090T and 1055T are not there.
    The Turbo function is not working properly but if the bios had the Turbo OFF function then i wouldn't care for it

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    ok im doing a little bit of probing now at ASUS (azoooz) looking for a bios for the M4A79 Deluxe bios with better support for x6 cpu.

    i have it on good understanding, **cough**** that a bios 3702 is going to be released soon.

    meanwhile my thoughts to bingo of course who is having personal troubles at the moment

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    Quote Originally Posted by DosDuoNo View Post

    meanwhile my thoughts to bingo of course who is having personal troubles at the moment

    Last thing he said on 29/9 was :
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    Quote Originally Posted by DosDuoNo View Post
    ok im doing a little bit of probing now at ASUS (azoooz) looking for a bios for the M4A79 Deluxe bios with better support for x6 cpu.

    i have it on good understanding, **cough**** that a bios 3702 is going to be released soon.
    I hope that the newer RAID Option ROM will be in it.
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