ASUS AMD Beta BIOS Releases

[Cyberlink_20]

Too bad Asus the M3NHT Deluxe is a good motherboard now you have messed it up for me wtihout the lack of hexacore support and crappy overclocking with it too. Wanted to SLI 2 480's to replace my TRI SLI 260's and I just bought it a few months ago now I have to dump it thanks. Hopefully the NF98 would be good I just bought it now give me support with that will ya may be my last board from Asus

[Leeghoofd]

Some really seem to think it's just a thing of adding some code to the bios... and you want support for a mobo that debuted at 2008, plz...

Let's do a what if question : let's assume ASUS added the X6 support, you start to OC it and hit a wall at sub 300HT clocks : would you call the board a POS ? What happens if you can achieve great clocks, but the PWMs get fried : would you call it a POS ? This list coudl be endless..

You really bought this 2008 motherboard a few months ago ? I really can't see why you didn't buy one of the M4N series boards with the 980a SLI chipset straight away...

[LowRun]

and you want support for a mobo that debuted at 2008, plz...

What the hell is wrong with expecting support for a 2 years old mobo, you must be joking right

[Leeghoofd]

In his case not. Well you have to look at everything : how about PWM's ? ( There are reports of people that smoked their 790FX high end boards with the X6 ) Can the Thuban's functions be fully supported (meaning Turbo function) Is it worthwhile to support Thuban on eg DDR2 boards ? Do you allow any Ocing ? Which motherboard do you focus on ? The ones that sold the most ? Or ya current lineup ?

Compare it with running a Gulftown CPU on a cheapo first generation X58 board... it will prolly smoke the board when being OC'ed and gamed upon...

To the above M3N user, he had better directly opted for a newer motherboard. I don't see the point in his demand : he just bought a motherboard (prolly 2nd hand) and now want to put in a latest generation CPU. It would have been better then to make sure everything will run from the start. Thuban was a long time released before he made his purchase. Why didn't he check that. There are a lot of issues with X6 on the latest generation boards, imagine how stressfull it must be for the bios guys to get everything sorted out on older hardware. Do all the other manufacturers boards run 100% fine with X6 ?

There's more to making it compatible then just a bios update !! Some changes are better done hardware wise...

If you want to have full support for all sorts of new CPU's during the coming years on your particular motherboard, then I think ya choice of hobby is a bit wrong... if you want to upgrade, it might be better to change some more parts then just a bios...

[skill123]

" Is it worthwhile to support Thuban on eg DDR2 boards ? "

If it wasn't way they didn't remove DDR2 suport from memory controler ?

[Rolle2k]

Seriously, DDR2 to DDR3 change doesn't get THAT much better performance. my 8GB DDR2 at 1120MHz 5-5-5-15 does fine for me. Of course it would be better performance with DDR3, but it's not worth the "upgrade".
The more i can squeeze out of this board, the better. And of course a bios change can do much for OC.. especially when it's a new cpu.

[LowRun]

In his case not. Well you have to look at everything : how about PWM's ? ( There are reports of people that smoked their 790FX high end boards with the X6 ) Can the Thuban's functions be fully supported (meaning Turbo function) Is it worthwhile to support Thuban on eg DDR2 boards ? Do you allow any Ocing ? Which motherboard do you focus on ? The ones that sold the most ? Or ya current lineup ?

Compare it with running a Gulftown CPU on a cheapo first generation X58 board... it will prolly smoke the board when being OC'ed and gamed upon...

To the above M3N user, he had better directly opted for a newer motherboard. I don't see the point in his demand : he just bought a motherboard (prolly 2nd hand) and now want to put in a latest generation CPU. It would have been better then to make sure everything will run from the start. Thuban was a long time released before he made his purchase. Why didn't he check that. There are a lot of issues with X6 on the latest generation boards, imagine how stressfull it must be for the bios guys to get everything sorted out on older hardware. Do all the other manufacturers boards run 100% fine with X6 ?

There's more to making it compatible then just a bios update !! Some changes are better done hardware wise...

If you want to have full support for all sorts of new CPU's during the coming years on your particular motherboard, then I think ya choice of hobby is a bit wrong... if you want to upgrade, it might be better to change some more parts then just a bios...

Still the board should support Thubans to the extent of what the hardware is capable of. Manufacturers (and Asus particularly) are making way too much motherboards models to support them the way they should, but that is just my opinion.

[Cyberlink_20]

Yeah I may have sounded a little rude but it would have been nice to have gotten better support. Or news about if they were doing bios updates for this old board itself. I did not want to upgrade from ddr2 to ddr3 yet because I think my ram is just fine. I just got my M4N98TD Evo with 8 GB DDR3 2000MHZ 7 9 7 24 GSkill Flare's. And yeah what an awsome board that is with the hexcore works phenomenal but I can't use my 3rd 260 oh well. Mabey I should have gotten this board in the first place. now my 955@ 4GHZ is working just fine with the M3NHT and the other 260 now I will stop complaining.

[MattiasNYC]

So ,for a normal user that only uses ASUS webpage for information x6 CPU's are not supported by M3A79-T Deluxe.

Lucky me that i know this forum.

So wait, that mobo CAN run the x6's?

[Leeghoofd]

" Is it worthwhile to support Thuban on eg DDR2 boards ? "

If it wasn't way they didn't remove DDR2 suport from memory controler ?

You didn't grasp the irony in my reply. Manufacturers want max expsoure and reach the masses. If DDR2 is still selling, why not fill that market hole...

Seriously, DDR2 to DDR3 change doesn't get THAT much better performance. my 8GB DDR2 at 1120MHz 5-5-5-15 does fine for me. Of course it would be better performance with DDR3, but it's not worth the "upgrade".

This ofcourse for 24/7 which is not my thing... You can tell the same thing about 1600C6 or C9... in real life apps there's not much difference, but...

If I want to bench and get the best results in most tests I have to grab a DDR3 motherboard... DDR2 rocks for Wprime as you can get the HT far easier to +400

To me Lowrun, Asus and Gigabyte put out far too many boards. If we had 2 entry, 2 main and 1 or two enthousiast boards that would be good. Sadly due to regional demands they easily release more than 20...

[skill123]

So wait, that mobo CAN run the x6's?

yes M3A79-T Deluxe works with x6 CPU's if u have 1608 bios from asus download page or 1609 bios that bingo posted ; but there is room for improvments hope the next bios bingo comes with will be better.

[BeepBeep2]

You really bought this 2008 motherboard a few months ago ? I really can't see why you didn't buy one of the M4N series boards with the 980a SLI chipset straight away...

My nforce 590 SLI will work with thuban. no multiplier changes or CPU-NB volt changes, but I should be able to put in a 1055T, set HT Ref to 270, DDR2 divider accordingly, and have a 1055T at 3.78Ghz / 2.7Ghz CPU-NB.

That board will be coming up on 5 years old next spring.

Not to mention it would support dual GTX4x0's if I wanted to run SLI.

[stangracin3]

any chance i will be avle to use ACC on all 6 cores in the future, instead of just 4 of them?

[BeepBeep2]

Why would you need ACC on a 6 core?

[stangracin3]

it made the thing more stable. it appears my first core is horrible

[NEOAethyr]

Hey dudes.

My ?.
Do the crosshair iv's support booting an array that is more then 2tb's?
My 2tb array is running low on space and I'de like to add another 1tb drive to it to top it off.
But if I can't do that..., then I'de like to know about it.
I was reading something that only the uefi v2.x bios'es have that kind of support.
But that sort of thing can be piggybacked on a rom module... like the raid.


Offtopic:
Yeah I know I haven't posted a screen showing a system running pcie @ 250...
My mom doesn't want to upgrade her system until she gets a 1tb drive to replace her 400gb.
That's why I haven't done that yet.

I did some testing of my own system.
Before hand, to make it clear, I've gamed, superpi'ed, and s&m'ed.
I don't like messing with prime, lots of power wasting.

But I did it anyways.
After my initial post here, I was failing prime within an hour.

Anyways I'm able to prime over 8hrs now.
Using the older ver of prime, all 6cores using a 16384k fft to try to save on some ram for other things.
I'll try switching to the new prime later on.

And I'm doing over 4.1ghz with lower then stock vcore.
(benched 4.5ghz for the heck of it, I'll work towards that goal later)

It seems to me that I needed a tab bit more vcore then I thaught.
That's what seems to have been fixing the random crashing and prime failing.
I'm using a -.04v offset for the cpu right now for 275x15 (turbo, normal @ 13x).

Bummer part is my ram speed is only slightly past 1800mhz.
At 2200 mhz s&m errors out real quick, but like I mentioned before memtest has no probs.

My cpu-nb speed is 3025mhz, nice to see it get past 3ghz lol.
Even if it's just a little bit so far.

Another bummer though is my psu.
Without modding my cables, my software readings are dropping .4v on the 12v rail :|.
I either need a new psu or to track down some copper bolts that no one sems to have.
When I ask about copper bolts, the hardware peeps locally always give me a funny look.
I've found aluminum ones that will do the job but I wanted copper.

Plan was to replace the spots in the psu where the bunchs of cables go into the pcb with copper bolts.
With a nut topside.
And then eash wire having wiring nut/terminal thingy's that loop around thet bolt.
Then I'd use another nut to secure that rail down.
Allowing me to add more then 16-18 16awg stranded copper cables per rail.

I'm using an enermax 350w'er at the moment with samxon caps (modded).
It only has the old 4pin cpu power hookup at the moment.

...
And yes I know this doesn't belong here.
I'm only mentioning my situation.
I don't have to prove crap to anyone, but I will if need be's to be nice about it...

I'm really needing that 2200mhz mem to be stable though, hint hint asus...

One other thing.
Does anyone know what exact msr's are needed to mess with the multpliers and vid's on each of the 6 cores (for all pwr states) ?
Because I can write a new bootup module thingy to doit for me before I go into windows.
I just don't trust phenom msr tweaker since the last time I tried it.

[Zeus]

What do you need 2200 mem for? Like your rig would take any advantage of all that bandwidth? No way!... DDR1800 with decent timings is more than enough for any water/air cooled AMD rig.

You're right that you don't have to prove anything but don't blame anyone who is at least sceptical. XS has a saying : pics or it didn't happen. So for now, it didn't happen, plain and simple.

Last thing, 350watt PSU? .......

[CrimInalA]

350 lol

even my yesico silentcool 580w couldn't cope with the rig in my sig .

[NEOAethyr]

Yeah 350w.
It's the EG365AX-VE(W) model with copper heatsinks, 26a or 28a on the 12v I can't remember.

The older enermax's "were" the only psu's I trusted.
I baught a ocz 650w powerstream before and it died in half a year and took a nf2 with it (had to recap that board).

Before it died completely, the night it happened.
It was fine at 1st, then all of the sudden it started to fluctuate by 0.3v on all of it's rails.
Then by 2v on all of it's rails before it gave up the ghost.

I don't trust the newer enermax psu's with all of the bad user reviews there are out there.
That an alot of the 2nd hand older models are not that good...

I've been waiting for another brand to take it's place, for a while there the only one I could think of were zippy/emacs.
But decent model's of that brand are really hard to find.
I'm straight on ocz psu anything, and pcp&c, internally just didn't look any good to me.

Recently though it looks like corsair and seasonic are decent.
I would actually take a risk and buy one of those 2 brands.
Whatever the one is that had rubycon zlh cap's stock...

It don't take no 1kw psu to power a board that uses ruffly 200w's... ^^
A good 650w should suffice even with 2x sli on a high end vga setup.

A psu shoudn't fluctuate more then 0.01v on any of it's rails when you measure it using an unused cable.

My psu is like that, but with it's stock cables, and a high load (100w's+) on a single line, it hits it .
If I replaced my cables it wouldn't be a big deal and I wouldn't be seeing my soft readings dip so low.

But I'm straight on trying to get 20+ cables into a small spot on the psu.
I've done it once.
That and wiring up all of the connectors with used pins.
Pain in the butt.
That's why I kept this one with it's stock cables, it was to much of a hassle to redo the whole thing correctly.

I came up with an idea to make it much easier and make it possible to replace one lead at a time.
But I'm stuck, I really don't wanna use aluminum in my psu but it's the only type of bolts I can find that are the right size.
Though, the ones I found are 1in in length not the 2in'es I'm looking for.

To eliviate the reistance problem with the stock cables I'm using diff caps.
Which does help quite a bit.
But it's no cable change over ^^ that's for sure.

I've got a bunch of 14awg solid core wiring I could use, which is easier to deal with in some ways but harder in others, it's thinner then 16awg stranded which is good.
But stiff, way to stiff for my liking.

My ac cables are shielded, but not medi grade (something I will spend money on later).
And I'm using a 200w apc battery backup.
Kept my previous dfi 790fx board running for 8mins+.
On this board I dn yet.

Most of my psu's cables have ferrite beads jerry rigged to them.
And my fan controller is modded with an extra coil, caps and ferrite beads.
Enough so to drive 2 delta tfm fan's on each of it's 6 leads if I want without probs.

I just started using my fan controller again the other day, 1st time on this board.
Helped with the +12v droop a bit, removed all my fan's load on the board.
Plus I'm making use of one of my delta fans now.
I've got a 92mm delta on my cpu, zipped tied to the stock heatsink... :\ lol
Helps keep my nb temps in the 30's :O .

I don't need 2x fans anymore, 1 blowing on my pwm.
Just the 92mm delta now.
The delta tfm is running at 5.6v without switching noise or feedback noise probs.

And quiet, lol, a quiet delta fan...
For the most part anyways.

I'm thinking about adding my 2nd delta 92mm tfm to my system.
Not sure if I should use it on the pwm, or to replace the mem's fan, or use it on my vga card.
I dn, whatever.

But yeah anyways I'm on a 350w psu.
It's a beast, but a little one.

I think I got 2x4700uf's for the 3v and 5v (2x each rail), and 2x3900uf for the 12v.

[Alex-Ro]

Your psu is not enough though,latest x4 and x6 AMD quad and six core when overclocked and increased CPU-NB Voltage too consumes tons of watts so be very carefull!

[NEOAethyr]

Here's a screenshot of 2200mhz mem.
I tried to up one on corsair's speed recored thing but I couldn't get it to boot at that mem speed.

It's not stable even with intel burn test let alone s&m's mem test...

Compared to 1800mhz+, it's only a few ns lower in latency and a 1000 megs faster in read on aida/everest.
Pretty much 0 gain from 2133mhz though.

Without the extra 100mhz+ on the cpu the diff between 2000 and 2133 is about a 1000 megs on copy bandwith and a few ns lower in latency.

With the cpu @ 4.5ghz my pi result is 15s.
That was at a 2000mhz mem speed.

The diff between 1.8xx ghz and 2.2ghz mem on ps2 emulation in the screenshot below is half a fps ^^ (diff in mem speed is only the divider used, cpu speed being identical).
The screenshot below was taken at the 1.8xx ghz mem speed (275x, 2nd to highest mem div).

Cpu wise, at least on that specific spot on that specific ps2 game...
4.125ghz vs 4.4ghz.
The diff was about 2 fps at best.
(I'm kinda shocked by that, there must be something else holding it back more then the cpu and mem).

I haven't tried up'ing the pcie speed yet to compare with.
In the past when I up'ed my vga card's core clock (not the shader clock), I've gotten another 5fps.
(Ps2 emulation seems to be highly dependent on texture rendering speed, especially on higher then native res modes, that screen was taken on native mode...).
I'm using a 240gt, 32:8 config I guess (tmu's?:rop's?).

I'll brb I'm gonna check to see if upp'ing the pcie speed will get me a few more fps and if so I'll post another screnshot.

Sorry about the lack of screenshots for the other stuffs, I kind of had enough with playing around with clocking at the moment.
To much messing around with the drive strengths with no results.


There is one thing I should mention.
On my ram I had to set my data drive strength to 1.25x on both channels.
I was able to figuer out the best value for that for my ram in memtest @ 2133mhz.
Helped get s&m stable at 2ghz I think.


Anyways maybe now you guys can understand why I would need this or that to clock higher lol.
Cause I got an app that uses more cpu power then I can get...

I should check software rendering with higher cpu speeds and such...
Because I can use more then 2 cpu's then and it's more cpu dependant.


Edit:

I just added another screenshot showing my current everyday setup at the moment.
I have it showing that I can pass s&m.
I didn't run the fpu test because I only run that when I specifically test for the cpu's voltage level's.
And in the end, when I'm doing that, I end up having to run the memory test's anyways because there results are more accurate.
Hence why I didn't bother running the fpu test.

One thing you guys may or may not know about turbo mode.
S&m, the older single threaded prime95(I dn about the new one), and intel burn test.
In those program turbo mode won't kick in.
They'll kick in if you're running one of them plus another app.
But it will never kick in for those testing apps alone.
So the result above was really at 3.575 ghz not the 4.125 ghz.

CPU-z and TMonitor will show you what programs turbo mode can't kick in for...

I have yet to actually disable turbo mode and check what I really need for voltages on s&m past 4ghz.
Right now I'm just guessing at the voltages needed and what seems to be needed for the new medal of honor game...

To do it right I need to disable turbo mode, set a normal cpu mutliplier of 15x and find what I need for voltages, check with a dmm...
Then re-enable turbo mode and check the voltages when turbo mode kicks in to see if they are at the right level with a dmm.
I think it's the only thing that is a hassle to do on this board .

I am able to pass s&m with turbo disabled with 250x16 though at I think was 1.33v bios setting (was close to 1.4v real), I mentioned about that in my 1st or 2nd post.

I did try up'ing the pcie speed a min ago from 100mhz to 150mhz.
On that same ps2 game, same scene, it got me pretty much exactly 0.20 fps more.
That's pretty small.
More then 150mhz probably wouldn't yield much more anyways I guess.

I could show the diff between a 4 and 6core though...
And maybe the diff between 4.125ghz and 4.5ghz.

One last edit:

I just up'ed a screen showing 4.5ghz.
The diff is pretty min though.
I did notice I had a harder time booting into windows with this then I did the other day.
Must be the delta fan, I must be at the very limits of my psu.

Possibly, likely that my stability probs, hardlock or mostly partial crashes with corrupted vga (flashy pixals like a vga core or mem oc'ed to far)...
Probably due to my psu running at it's limits, probably from ac spikes or some out of range dc jitter stuffs (clicks or pops in the power).

Tried to do a comparison show with ps2 software rendering for 4 cores and 6 cores but the latest pcsx2 ver seems to have a bug with the plugin set to more then 1 thread.
1 thread = 50+fps, 2 threads ='s 30fps.
Kind of a crappy time to find that bug...

6 cores makes a decent diff between a quad when you can use them all that's all I can say I guess :\.

I wish I had a better psu lol, I'de so be trying for that 4.5ghz and higher.
That would be cool...
I kinda wanna see 5ghz on air...
I dn why I just want to lol.

Weird though how a diff of 375mhz only gets me 1sec lower in 1m pi ^^.

Oh.. and you can see in my last screenshot, the 4.5ghz one.
That my fsb fluctuates a bit.
Sometimes I got everest/aida results like that, and I have to refresh it..., that time I didn't bother.

That's one thing I wouldn't mind seeing fixed up a bit bios wise..., if possible.

That's the end of my long @ss post lol .

[Tonyb]

How dumb? I Must be in the wrong thread I thought this was BIOS's

[Madise]

Still got nothing for C4F~?! Been waiting for ages and still nothing? Seen 1201 version BIOS leaking... But nothing been updated on the site... Maybe I should concider selling my C4F MB then... sigh...

[Leeghoofd]

1102 works fine here, what are your issues with it ? I'm able to run far lower voltages then with 1005 which was a buggy bios to me...

[hokiealumnus]

1102 is great here as well. No problems at all. Not sure what the big issues are?