AMD Radeon HD 6870 and HD 6850 confirmed to be launched on 22.10.2010

[Dark-Energy]

Would it be a good idea to sell my non-reference 5870 and get a new 6870?

I'm not sure if it would be worth it anyways, because the 5870 is obviously faster, and all the money I get from selling the 5870 would all go towards the new 6870.

[ripken204]

Would it be a good idea to sell my non-reference 5870 and get a new 6870?

I'm not sure if it would be worth it anyways, because the 5870 is obviously faster, and all the money I get from selling the 5870 would all go towards the new 6870.

i dont think anyone can answer that until we get some proper benchmarks done.
i am sure that there will be 6870 vs 5870 vs 5850 vs 460 benchmarks in just a few days.

[madcho]

Would it be a good idea to sell my non-reference 5870 and get a new 6870?

I'm not sure if it would be worth it anyways, because the 5870 is obviously faster, and all the money I get from selling the 5870 would all go towards the new 6870.

if you want MAA yes, but performance should be a bit lower sometimes, and a bit upper sometimes.

I would say buy a cayman, or keep your 5870

[Daveburt714]

Dark-Energy: I agree with ripken204....

The 5870 is a very nice card, I'm still stuck with a 4870 so if the price is right I'll definetly be getting a 6850/70 (depending on price).

IMHO, if I already had a 58xx series card though, I'd wait a while and see how things shake out. The 69xx series should be out in November, if you can wait another month it may be worth your while to hold out and see where prices settle....

[Dark-Energy]

Hmm, so I should probably wait for Cayman then

I'm just concerned about how much I would get for this 5870, hopefully nothing under $300 CAD, but maybe that's too optimistic....

[Sn0wm@n]

I dont understand why people say its new either.

its new ... architecture modification ..


wich includes ... new shader layout ...
adding new blu ray decoding and encoding stuff ..

and probably some other architectural stuff that we dont know yet .. so sure its only a rename .....

[tajoh111]

Hmm, so I should probably wait for Cayman then

I'm just concerned about how much I would get for this 5870, hopefully nothing under $300 CAD, but maybe that's too optimistic....

Way under 300, that what people are getting now without the new series out even. Make sure you sell on a techforum so people actually know the performance they are getting.

I would sell now if you can if you want max value, but its still really risky because we don't know how much of an upgrade cayman is going to be and how expensive it is going to be. We have an idea of both but nothing certain.

[halfwaythere]

Performance wise 6850 and 6870 are under 5850 and 5870. I think its better to wait for the Caymans before selling any of the Cypress's.

[Mean Machine]

Performance wise 6850 and 6870 are under 5850 and 5870. I think its better to wait for the Caymans before selling any of the Cypress's.

No.

[Dark-Energy]

No.

why

[Sn0wm@n]

why

because someone on the internet told so

[slaveondope]

Awaiting members benchmarks...

[Solus Corvus]

I am interested in the products(the higher ones anyway), I am just terrified of the pricing that will happen.

The pricing difference between the x770 series and the 5870 or I guess now cayman has been atleast double. The 4770 was like 90 dollars and the 5770 was 159 dollars. So if Bart xt is 250, I could see cayman being 500 + without scalping and considering the size rumored, this seems like a possibility. So what will antilles be priced like if their single chip parts are already 500.

Even if it is $500 that's still $100 less then a 5970. With 1920 I could see it matching a 5970. So you'd be getting as much performance as the top card from the last generation for less money.

If it sells for $600 then I will be quite disappointed and most likely skip this generation. But what would you say if it ends up selling for $400 like I hoped?

I don't think very many people, atleast in the know and remember last generations scalping, are going to be optimistic. I think they are going to expect long last scalping until NV responds with something. I bet alot of you guys that are interested in this card are going to buy at the first reasonable price they can find because they don't want to pay crazy scalping prices like last generation. And that my friend is a pessimism alot of us share I can imagine considering NV competition right now.

If it doesn't feel like it has enough price/performance advantage over what you have now then it would be most sensible to not buy it. I stuck it out with a GTX285 until I picked up my 5970 for $300.

Nobody is making you buy these products. If you feel the price is too high then you should not purchase the product. People who have to buy the new product even if they feel it's priced too high hurt all of us by keeping the price elevated. Part of the recent price inflation is our fault for not exercising frugality and rationality as consumers. If a significant percentage of potential customers declined to purchase the product then they would have little choice but to drop the price.

I was probably one of the only people on this board to question, whether barts or the 6xxx in general was going to have 4d shaders(and barts has a 5d shader). Sometimes pessimism can help you see through hype and perhaps high expectations or rumors.

I have been wondering about the NI architecture since it was announced. Rumors indicate it is a 4d design, but of course nothing official confirms that. We shouldn't have long before finding out the truth. I doubt that they would use a different design between Barts and Cayman.

I try to moderate my expectations. I looked at the rumored shaders and clocks of Fermi and decided 30% faster then 5870 was probably about right. Fanboys from both sides grew a few extra wrinkles from all the frowning. But as it turns out my guess was closer then any others I heard. I always advocate moderating your expectations. But that doesn't mean automatically being pessimistic about everything. It means thinking rationally about the subject and trying to come to reasonable conclusions.

We know so little about Cayman that I have very few expectations at all, high or low.

[Aten-Ra]

I like fun times /popcorn



Well actually the GT200 is just G92 with double the ROPS + double the buswidth + some other features.

It's not a new architecture, it's a G92 refresh but Nvidia felt that it should name it 200 series. (Oh wait, Nvidia did actaully make G92 the 200 series )

Lemme try again...

Well actually Fermi is just GT200 shrunk with rearranged ROPS + GDDR5 + better Tesselator + some CUDA changes.

It's not a new architecture, it's a GT200 refresh but Nvidiaf elt that it should name it 400 series.

See what we did there?

Everything since unified shader architecture became the norm is just a "refresh" of before, and frankly, this is as close to an architecture change for ATI as we've seen since R600

Because you trying to be a smartass,

Those three are different architectures



Have a look at ATIs generations


HD38xx (320 SP, 666mil, 192mm2, 55nm)


HD48xx (800 SP, 956mil, 259mm2, 55nm)


HD58xx (1600 SP, 2.1bil, 334mm2, 40nm)


HD68xx (1120 SP, 1.7bil, 255mm2, 40nm)


I believe now you do understand that 6870 is a reconfigured Cypress. Even AMD themselves said it.

[SkItZo]

Those of us in Aus have prices already...Some stores even list them as being in stock and available for purchase (But who knows if that is accurate or just an attempt at a price gouge pre-order stunt)
6850 lowest price is $259 (Sapphire)
http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/...?q=6850&spos=1
6870 lowest price is $288 (MSI)
http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/...?q=6870&spos=1

[Mech0z]

Those of us in Aus have prices already...Some stores even list them as being in stock and available for purchase (But who knows if that is accurate or just an attempt at a price gouge pre-order stunt)
6850 lowest price is $259 (Sapphire)
http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/...?q=6850&spos=1
6870 lowest price is $288 (MSI)
http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/...?q=6870&spos=1

That is pretty cheap IMO

[Solus Corvus]

Where is slide 19?

[Sn0wm@n]

Where is slide 19?

wait 48 hours to get it at the very least would be my best guess

[zerazax]

Because you trying to be a smartass,

*snip*

I believe now you do understand that 6870 is a reconfigured Cypress. Even AMD themselves said it.

The rumors have always pointed to NI being a mix of the original NI front-end with the shader core of the previous generations. Nothing has been wrong.

First, you can already see that G80 and GT200 are pretty damn identical, so it's hardly 3 different architectures . Fermi is of course new, but here's the kicker to your pointless argument:

Until you see what ATI did on the front end, which won't necessarily be known until the NDA is lifted, how can you say its any more of a reconfiguration than Nvidia? In your own diagram, one would just say GT200 is a GT200 is an expanded G80/G92 (in a similar style to 5800 from 4800). And Fermi had a large change in the shader/arithmetic part of the architecture, and not as much around it - one could say R6xx -> R7xx was the opposite, which was identical shader/arithmetic, major changes on the other stuff (such as TMU/RBEs)

So if you're going to play the "not much of an architecture game" card, one could just as easily point to other aspects of Nvidia and say the exact same thing, which was my point, but one you obviously missed But that's the thing about unified shader architecture, you'll rarely see every aspect overhauled as we saw with G7x->G80 and R5xx->R600

[Aten-Ra]

Well actually 6870 is a 5830 with double the ROPs + better ILP + better Tessellator + HDMI 1.4

It is not a new architecture, it’s a Cypress refresh but AMD felt that it should name it 6000 series.

Let’s wait and see full reviews on Friday to have a better view both on performance and prices.

The rumors have always pointed to NI being a mix of the original NI front-end with the shader core of the previous generations. Nothing has been wrong.

AMDs David Hoff have said the following

http://www.techradar.com/news/comput...s&attr=newsall

"Hoff was also happy to speak about it's upcoming new range of DirectX 11 graphics cards. "It's certainly more than changing a sticker," he said with a grin. "I wouldn't say it's an absolute, complete from the ground up new architecture .It's a nice, different architecture."


Yes they changed the Front End and they have every right to call it 6000 if they want to but that doesn’t change the fact that 6000 is not a new architecture.

[Frontl1ne]

Here are some figures from some aussies:

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...postcount=2196

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...postcount=2186

The card in the quoted system in the second link is the 6870. Hopefully you guys can view it

[Sn0wm@n]

AMDs David Hoff have said the following

http://www.techradar.com/news/comput...s&attr=newsall

"Hoff was also happy to speak about it's upcoming new range of DirectX 11 graphics cards. "It's certainly more than changing a sticker," he said with a grin. "I wouldn't say it's an absolute, complete from the ground up new architecture .It's a nice, different architecture."


Yes they changed the Front End and they have every right to call it 6000 if they want to but that doesn’t change the fact that 6000 is not a new architecture.

some proof that its not a rebrand rename yadayada thingy .... thanks for the link .. i couldnt find it in the other 20 or so pages of random stuff ... thanks for the linky again

[Dimitriman]

This thread is full of pointless discussion...

why argue if its a complete change or a small change when we already know it wont be a direct rename?

why argue if the naming is misleading when we know its priced for mainstream and any small confusion will only last one month till cayman?

let me throw in a new topic:
will you be able to crossfire barts with cypress if you wanted?
(if so, that is what i recomend for Dark-Energy)

[zerazax]

Here are some figures from some aussies:

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...postcount=2196

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...postcount=2186

The card in the quoted system in the second link is the 6870. Hopefully you guys can view it

Hm... GTX 470 performance from a cooler and lower power draw card? Sweet!

[Gaul]

Radeon HD 6870 is Twice Faster than GeForce GTX 460 in MSI Kombustor


6870



GTX 460