NVIDIA to Counter Radeon HD 6970 ''Cayman'' with GeForce GTX 580

[zerazax]

AMD said it in their own conference call I believe - and they aren't going to lie to shareholders unless they want the wrath of the government on them

And it is DX11 only. Easy way to figure it out? Figure out how many units they've sold, and how many Nvidia has of the same DX11 stuff....

[bamtan2]

Dejá vú?

I seem to remember this happening when the 5870 was released. Big promises and more of them and more of them etc.
Next thing you know, It's a different decade and 5 months into it when the card arrives.

I agree. If you're fooled twice by this, you're the fool. Nobody should be paying attention to whispers in the wind about new nvidia products. Either you talk about something real, or you're full of

[Lanek]

90% of DX11 GPU's !! ( not complete market share lol ) And it's official, numbers have been released today by AMD.. i don't sort thoses numbers from my hat .... ( i was not expect so much personnally, 80% was allready a good number )

[bamtan2]

I'm thinking this Cayman might just match the GTX480.

raise your expectations. gtx480 is something like 65% as efficient as 5870.

meaning even if cayman is nothing but a big 5870, it will still smoke gtx480.

[Mad Pistol]

AMD is killing Nvidia on power efficiency this generation. If they were to play the same game nvidia is playing and create a GPU that uses the same amount of power as a GTX 480, AMD would absolutely crush Nvidia in performance. In fact, AMD still has their 5970, which in anything other than tessellation performance, the 5970 is faster AND uses less energy than the GTX 480. The place where Nvidia is the clear victor at the moment is the GTX 460, which unfortunately, came to market during the summer. The 5770 has ruled that portion of the market for a long time.

Seriously, all AMD has to do is sneeze at this point, and they'll be way ahead of Nvidia again.

[Calmatory]

Calling a 512sp Fermi a GTX 580 would be in line with the AMD renaming.

AMD isn't renaming anything.

[eXa]

They are renaming the 5770 and 5750, no?

[Dimitriman]

They are renaming the 5770 and 5750, no?

there is no evidence of that anywhere yet. i dont think they will as the 6k name brings new features not found on 5k series.

[zanzabar]

this looks like a 512shader gf104 arch chip with the 120tmu, but this could also be 2x gpus. ether way its nice to see NV doing somehting as did not expect anything since they were set on the 32nm node shrink that is not coming and the gf100 was delayed so i was not expecting much, a scaled out gf104 should be a nice chip and have enough texture power over the geometry unlike the gf100. i would though like to see the full spec gf104 as i think that would be enough with a high clock to make a new high end and or a gx2

They are renaming the 5770 and 5750, no?

they are calling a barts chip (upper mid) a 68xx instead of a 67xx but no1 has seen anything (or atleast no1 without an NDA) anything but 3dm and we dont know if that was even legit or what the cpu was. and they are supposed to be a new shader arch so comparing shader counts from 960-1100 could be alot more or less usable power as the scaller system is not vary efficient with 5 units per physical shader

[eXa]

Ok

[Warboy]

Thats gonna be hard to produce..... Looks good on paper tho.

[Jowy Atreides]

They are renaming the 5770 and 5750, no?

Current fud says they're just keeping it as 5770 without releasing a 6770.

[BrowncoatGR]

I'd say more like 10%. Look at the difference between the 5850 and 5870. 1440 vs 1600 SPU's and 100Mhz difference between the two and a measly ~5% performance edge over the 5850.

I'm thinking this Cayman might just match the GTX480.

If they switched to a 4D config as rumoured you can't extrapolate any performance numbers based on the efficiency of 5xxx cards. If AMD couples a 20% performance increase with a price drop across the board this would leave Nvidia yet again were they were before G104 launched. It's a good thing Quadros dominate the professional market which should allow them to weather almost any storm atm.

[Lanek]

They are renaming the 5770 and 5750, no?

Maybe, maybe not .. but let's face it... if all the series bring new feature as 3D, UVD3, new display features and other things, if they use the 5770 it will appears to be the low end, inititally dedicated for movies, HTPC (6400?).. you will get lower gpu ( Caicos, Turk ) with new features, then a gap with 5770 with not thoses features, then 6870 and higher end model with thoses features ? ...

maybe they will keep 5770 and then replace them in the 6K series later, but i really don't think they can bring new features on really low class gpu ( caicos ), average ( Barts ), high end ( cayman ), and keep a little 5770 ( renamed or not ) with the old features between 6400 and 6870... Ofc all the features i talk about are side of the gpu itself, maybe they will use the Juniper core and add just the 3D, UVD3 engines, and new displayport, HDMI on the PCB and then rename them 6450-6650 ....

[Carfax]

It's a good thing Quadros dominate the professional market which should allow them to weather almost any storm atm.

That and the HPC market (Tesla). I don't even think AMD has an HPC product.

[Bobsama]

That and the HPC market (Tesla). I don't even think AMD has an HPC product.

It's called FireStream. From what I've heard, Radeon cards are more often used in these mass deployments. In fact, the #7 supercomputer (Tianhe-I) uses HD4870X2's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500#June_2010_list

[jtdigital]

uh the gtx 485 isn't even released yet and already talk about a gtx 580

[Dainas]

So basically, at this point there is absolutely no way for Nvidia to catch up with AMD, and within a few generations of this lagging behind, they will likely go bankrupt?

atleast they can go out with a bang, easily the worlds most powerful, and power hungry single gpu by a wide wide margin.

Hello next card!

[clayton]

Wow. I can't believe they actually think GTX 480's TDP is fine.

[Bobsama]

Wow. I can't believe they actually think GTX 480's TDP is fine.

Well the 5970's total power draw is pretty close to 300W max. The GTX480, on the other hand, is about 250W max. For a single card with a single GPU, 250W is insane.

[kadozer]

Will there be a 2010 mock up card?

[Nintendork]

512 bits + GDDR5 doesn´t sound reasonable at this time. A waste of money IMHO

Just with that one can guess that all this news are fake or vaporware to be more specific.


There's no point in hell to use 512bit when you have GDDR5, is the most idiotic move.

[ToxAvenger]

Well the 5970's total power draw is pretty close to 300W max. The GTX480, on the other hand, is about 250W max. For a single card with a single GPU, 250W is insane.

Where did you get your numbers? Pretty much every review I've seen shows the 480 exceeding the 5970, in both average and maximum power. See here for example.

[Nintendork]

So basically, at this point there is absolutely no way for Nvidia to catch up with AMD, and within a few generations of this lagging behind, they will likely go bankrupt?

They're still strong in pro gpu's. Sooner or later they will suffer in that segment. Anyone thinks about a pro Fusion APU?

[Lanek]

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