New rumor about ATI Southern Islands

[thatdude90210]

"rename"

I don't think the word means what some of you think it means. To "re" something, it has had to named before. What was Barts named before, in terms of consumer product? Nothing. To name something different from what you expect it to be named is not renaming.

And to compared this with putting a new sticker on an old product to sell as new. That's beyond ridiculous.

[Erklat]

You mean 6970 right?

See, it is even worse. Yeah, that's it. I made my guess based on common
sense and past experiences, but there is apparently lack of any in this.

[Iconyu]

See, it is even worse. Yeah, that's it. I made my guess based on common
sense and past experiences, but there is apparently lack of any in this.

Yeah but it's different when all the options are there, you were just guessing, but if the plan goes through you'll at least see all the numbers, and any review you read will have the following info.

6990 = x2
6970 = 5870 replacement
6950 = 5850 replacement
6870 = 5770 replacement
6850 = 5750 replacement

[Eagleclaw]

Well done, right on the mark!

See now...this is not only common sense but logical

Yeah but it's different when all the options are there, you were just guessing, but if the plan goes through you'll at least see all the numbers, and any review you read will have the following info.

6990 = x2
6970 = 5870 replacement
6950 = 5850 replacement
6870 = 5770 replacement
6850 = 5750 replacement

[Baron_Davis]

Yeah but it's different when all the options are there, you were just guessing, but if the plan goes through you'll at least see all the numbers, and any review you read will have the following info.

6990 = x2
6970 = 5870 replacement
6950 = 5850 replacement
6870 = 5770 replacement
6850 = 5750 replacement

wtf

this looks so wrong. If they actually do this, theyre retarded

[eXceeded]

I thought it was to make space for more lower range models giving us more choice in the market. Especially with the introduction of fusion et al.

[kuroikenshi]

wtf

this looks so wrong. If they actually do this, theyre retarded

that's right hey, I mean of course a multi-billion dollar company doesn't know anywhere near as much about their products as a kiddo sitting at home trolling forums,

oh by the way, do you want some failsauce with that hotdog?

[ToxAvenger]

No it's not. I hope you're trolling, cause this is seriously logic fail

I think you completely missed the point.

[halo112358]

Today my GTX 280 started to refuse to work with 3D/performance mode anymore and would always give me a textured pattern screen of doom as soon as I launch any game (or ATITools, Furmark etc) even below stock clocks so currently on my backup gfx card 7900GTO (wish I hadn't stuffed the 9800GT I got back from a 8800GT RMA replacement into my parents comp ). Buying a GTX 460 wouldn't be much of an upgrade at all and GTX 470 and GTX 480 are rather uninteresting to me and wouldn't either make sense buying a HD58xx card at prices STILL similar to its launch and so close to 68xx launch. Guess I just gotta hang in there for a while... better not be any serious delays... :s

I picked a 5870 off ebay a couple weeks back for like $250 shipped, if you're looking for discount cards try the resale market.

[mutantmagnet]

Why will you upgrade from 5870 to 6870 ? Offcourse it will be a downgrade ......if you want upgrade from the 5870, you will choose the 6950-6970 or even the 6990 .... It was same for 4870-4890 owners... outside DX11 they was no interest to buy a 5770 for replace the 4870 ... in general the new lower cards ( who is the 6850-6870 ) are rarely faster of the Top cards of the old series, but in general equal them..

If the 6870 ends up performing the same as the 5870 but offers lower power consumption as a feature it is a side grade.

[ToxAvenger]

If the 6870 ends up performing the same as the 5870 but offers lower power consumption as a feature it is a side grade.

Only if the 6870 is at the same price point as the 5870. Otherwise, it's about rearranging the naming scheme. It's replacing the 5770, so as long as the performance is improved and is in the same price bracket, why all the uproar?

Either way we all need to wait and see what exactly happens, the thing is not even out yet and some people are already condemning AMD.

[kuroikenshi]

its only a week away...geez people chillax

[Eagleclaw]

ONLY if your foolish enough to buy it as a 5870 upgrade.

If the 6870 ends up performing the same as the 5870 but offers lower power consumption as a feature it is a side grade.

[Solus Corvus]

Yeah, seriously. Let's all just chillax.

Personally I can't say I'm a fan of changing the naming scheme. I didn't really like it when Nvidia did it and I don't think AMD should do it either. But in the long run it's not what matters.

What matters is the price/performance ratio of these new cards. We will know that after release when they get into enthusiasts hands. There will be plenty of time to judge their success/failure after that.

[Baron_Davis]

that's right hey, I mean of course a multi-billion dollar company doesn't know anywhere near as much about their products as a kiddo sitting at home trolling forums,

oh by the way, do you want some failsauce with that hotdog?

you are so naive...do you think ATI is doing this cause it's smart or logical or do you think they're doing it to trick ppl into thinking a card is better than it actually is? They're turning into Nvidia...

so so naive. I'm sure you're the type that would lick a man's balls too as long as he's rich and owns a company.

Your mom must be so proud

PS. 6870 > 5870 OH WAIT IT'S JUST A 5770!

[Chickenfeed]

The marketing may have lost the naming consistency of the last 2 generations of cards but if you think people who are buying higher end hardware just blindly spend money without make a remotely informed decision, thats just plain ignorant.

Odds are the 6870 will cost less than the current 5870 thus making it more of a 5770 comparable replacement ( as far as the lineup goes ) so I can care less what the cards are called. In the end its about what can a product do for the customer and how much they have to pay to get one into their hands. They can call a card the super duper epic fail over 9000 edition for all I care if its the right price and does something worth its weight in salt. Enough said.

[Baron_Davis]

22nd October launch for AMD Radeon HD 6870 and HD 6850; retail availability expected
http://vr-zone.com/articles/22nd-oct...ted/10065.html

AMD will be releasing the Radeon HD 6870 and Radeon HD 6850 cards first. Based on previously leaked benchmarks by some Chinese websites, the Radeon HD 6870 will only be a little faster than an overclocked Radeon HD 5850. There sure is some name-play going on here; the x800 naming convention has traditionally been given to high-end single GPU cards but it seems that the Radeon HD 6870 and HD 6850 will be replacements for the current HD 5700 Series instead.

It is almost certain that the new high-end (wow, confusing) will be labelled under as the Radeon HD 6900 Series instead.

ATI realizes Nvidia is crippled, and are now using their own strategies against them.

[Baron_Davis]

The marketing may have lost the naming consistency of the last 2 generations of cards but if you think people who are buying higher end hardware just blindly spend money without make a remotely informed decision, thats just plain ignorant.

Odds are the 6870 will cost less than the current 5870 thus making it more of a 5770 comparable replacement ( as far as the lineup goes ) so I can care less what the cards are called. In the end its about what can a product do for the customer and how much they have to pay to get one into their hands. Enough said.

You know how many retarded builds I've seen on Youtube?? Assuming anything but ignorance is ignorant. N. America has the biggest collection of dumbasses in the world.

[Final8ty]

you are so naive...do you think ATI is doing this cause it's smart or logical or do you think they're doing it to trick ppl into thinking a card is better than it actually is? They're turning into Nvidia...

so so naive. I'm sure you're the type that would lick a man's balls too as long as he's rich and owns a company.

Your mom must be so proud

PS. 6870 > 5870 OH WAIT IT'S JUST A 5770!

Its not the exact same thing at all & it falls into because there are some similarities that there will always be some people who cant see the difference.

Hey a Ford Fiesta is a re brand of a Ford Escort because they both have Ford in the name & they came in the same colour.

[ToxAvenger]

you are so naive...do you think ATI is doing this cause it's smart or logical or do you think they're doing it to trick ppl into thinking a card is better than it actually is? They're turning into Nvidia...

so so naive. I'm sure you're the type that would lick a man's balls too as long as he's rich and owns a company.

Your mom must be so proud

PS. 6870 > 5870 OH WAIT IT'S JUST A 5770!

Are you saying that the 6870 will have the same performance as the 5770?

As for your other comments

[Serra]

Moved to ATI subsection as this "news" article is 2 months old.

(Let those mods deal with this 1200+ post full of speculation nightmare )

[Baron_Davis]

Are you saying that the 6870 will have the same performance as the 5770?

As for your other comments

Well apparently it will be a little faster than a 5850...amazing. A 6870 should be twice as quick as a 5870, not slower than one. THAT'S what I find lame and pathetic.

[jaredpace]

Jesus how can you compare a new product line-up with re-branding of available products?

He's not comparing it in this sense. Yes G92 was 3 other products before it was rebranded 9800GTX. Not the point. The point is the similarity in the names relative to the parts' performance:

8800GTX > 9800GTX

HD5870 > HD6870

Get it?

[slaveondope]

Well apparently it will be a little faster than a 5850...amazing. A 6870 should be twice as quick as a 5870, not slower than one. THAT'S what I find lame and pathetic.

As its been shown a couple times in this thread the are calling barts 68xx because of die size.
Do you really expect a ~$220 6870 to be twice as fast as a $400 5870

[zerazax]

Well apparently it will be a little faster than a 5850...amazing. A 6870 should be twice as quick as a 5870, not slower than one. THAT'S what I find lame and pathetic.

So YOU think the naming scheme should be that, but AMD can't change it to where the 6970 is the new high end single GPU?

People need to stop getting tied up over the 8 number. As long as the REST of the generation's lineup makes sense, that is 6970 > 6950 > 6870 > 6850 > 6770 > 6750, and the pricing makes sense, that's what ultimately matters

I can't believe so many people are getting caught up over the fact that it's named a 6870... hello folks, the 6970 is what's replacing the 5870, not the 6870

He's not comparing it in this sense. Yes G92 was 3 other products before it was rebranded 9800GTX. Not the point. The point is the similarity in the names relative to the parts' performance:

8800GTX > 9800GTX

HD5870 > HD6870

Get it?

People need to get over the name similarity. AMD changed things up by making the 5870X2 = 5970 after there was a 3870X2 and 4870X2. They can change it again if they want and make the high end single GPU the x970's. Big deal - so long as the naming scheme makes sense within the generation

That's why the 8800GTX to 9800GTX didn't make any sense - the 9800GTX was actually a cut down core (G92) of the G80, with no real architecture changes, whereas Barts is actually a different architecture. Add on the fact that the 9800GTX was a rebrand of the 8800 GTS G92 version, whereas Barts is not a rebrand of any other name. Furthermore, the 9800GTX was advertised as the top card when it clearly wasn't. Barts is NOT that at all - given that there is a 6970 on the horizon, AMD is making no claims that the 6870 is the top dog of its own generation. Thus the analogy is tenuous at best