Feser's New Lineup

[meanmoe]

High CFM... really? That's disappointing if true...

[rheydt]

just found this cool pic, just check the threads

[Metroid]

Finally something to be used with my amazing 220 CFM Delta fans. The Monsta requires 5 x 140 = 700 = 1100 CFM here I go, maybe 10 x 220CFM = 2200

Also I will need a warning label written, 'Do not come close unless you want to be deaf'

The Monsta will make the people deaf with its 2200 CFM growl

[Martinm210]

Finally something to be used with my amazing 220 CFM Delta fans. The Monsta requires 5 x 140 = 700 = 1100 CFM here I go, maybe 10 x 220CFM = 2200

Also I will need a warning label written, 'Do not come close unless you want to be deaf'

The Monsta will make the people deaf with its 2200 CFM growl

I'm guessing these things will be optimized for low speed fans based on the low air restriction. At least that's how the typical flat tube/fin designs go. Lower the restriction the better they do with low speed fans. Visually I just don't see these having enough air surface contact area to really be favoring high speed fans.

I also suspect this will change our thinking in regard to "Thickness". While the flat tube/fin types don't benefit much from extra thickness (because of air's poor heat capacity), these are open enough that I think the extra thickness should be a much better gain.

All speculation, but that would be my WAG..

[pluck]

The issue with increasing the thickness of a radiator is that it really has pretty much the same effect as increasing the fin density of the radiator, it just makes the resistance the air passing through it experiences.

This is shown quite nicely with the MCR radiators which have a much higher fin density than the low fin density double thickness rads (PA/RX etc.) and yet the MCRs performance is virtually identical to those rads at low fan speeds (<1000rpm) going by these charts.

The original 'Monsta' was also another good example of this. If I remember rightly it performed noticeably worse than thinner radiators with the same fin density, simply because by doubling the thickness they increased the resistance to the air passing through by such a degree that it meant much higher speed fans were required for the radiator to perform 'optimally'. Considering that the cost increase in manufacturing when going from 'double' to 'quad' thickness must be rather substantial and that the same effect could be obtained by increasing the fin density at a lower cost the original 'Monsta' wasn't very well thought out.

However with this new design that Feser are now using I'm guessing that it isn't as easy to just increase the fin density, since fins are now part of the tubes, so increasing the thickness is possibly one of the only practical solutions to creating a high fan speed radiator.

[Metroid]

I think these series will be great for no fans at all but they will have to be kept on the out and about. Its performance will somewhat depend on the ambient temperature. The thickness for me means higher resistance to certain conditions and most will be trade-off's. The cooling path is the catch here.

[Martinm210]

Didn't think about that...but I bet it does lend itself to possible passive radiator applications as well. We'll have to beg Skinnee to maybe try a passive test if he has time..

[meanmoe]

I'm guessing these things will be optimized for low speed fans based on the low air restriction.

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All speculation, but that would be my WAG..

I prefer your wag over the previous...

when are these things due out again... September?

Edit, too dense and not enough surface area for passive... I don't see it...

[Waterlogged]

not even if we say pwetty pwease ?
Not that im going to be buying these but just very very curious but i understand NDA's and will happily wait
cheers and kind regards

Well, that's all I need. I've never been one to play by rules (unless they served my purpose) so here goes. These are the communications I've had with Fester.

Dear Sirs,

I was wondering if you could tell me what the materials are that you use in your Admiral line of radiators. There is much speculation about the inside of the tubes being made from aluminum and there is already a number of people concerned about corrosion when these are used with loops containing copper. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Waterlogged

Dear Waterlogged,

We are surprised you would write to us considering your reputation concerning our company and products. We would be happy to tell you if you were to sign this NDA and fax it back to us.

Martin

Dear Waterlogged,

Materials used for the Admiral Line of radiators are a follows;

Tubes: 2 piece - inner shell is made from Unobatinium274 which has a thermal conductivity (Thermal Conductivity
Btu / (hr - ft -°F)) of >9000 and is completely inert when used with other metals (such as copper/Brass/Nickel). Outer shell is made from Aluminium 6061-T6 which can be anodized to any color.

End tanks: these are also made from Unobatinium274 with a Aluminium shell.


We remind you that you are now under agreement to the NDA that you signed and the preceeding info should not be repeated until end of the NDA agreement.


Martin

Disclaimer: The preceding "communications" did NOT actually take place and I'm not under any NDA with Fester. I am however under NDA elsewhere. This was only for fun.

Noo!!!!
Don't say that....

High CFM... really? That's disappointing if true...

I should clarify my statement a bit. With the apparent lack of surface area compared to traditional rads, the more air you can get over the tubes of these is going to mean better temps. These may actually be suited to using slipstreams on.

I also have another concern that I noticed before when the "site leak" occurred and has been confirmed with the site coming back online. I noticed they provide the linear length of the cooling area and decided to compare it to a 25mm spacing TC PA120.2 I have. The Admiral 240 standard gets it's ass kicked by 8 feet (hell, even the 280 standard is short by 3.25' ). Visible tube length on the PA is roughly 10" x 24 tubes = 240" ÷ 12 = 20" of "cooling path". Now, even a 15mm spaced is losing a little to the old PA but nowhere near that much so I', guessing that even the 15MM spaced rads are gonna kick these in the ass as far as "cooling path".

[meanmoe]

LOL... dood, they love you!

>9000... lol...

[Darth_Penguin]

WL, I nearly fell out of my chair after seeing unobtanium as the listed material. You certainly are famous in Germany, or is that infamous?

[AceBaran]

Sweet deal Waterlogged

[defect9]

the >9000 got me giggling like a tard

[Alexandr0s]

are they trying to fool us?! WTF is that?! Unobtanium what a -.- Waterlogged they want to fool you!

I'm not sure if you're joking here, but Waterlogged isn't exactly loved by Feser (and some other people for that matter ), so their reply actually makes sense .

Nice job getting them to you their greatest secrets Waterlogged (lol, >9000 ) .

[rheydt]

well, it is then an aluminium radiator if that is true

[bundymania]

LOL that was pure joking in the Mail and waterlogged didn´t get it...sweeeet

[Alexandr0s]

LOL that was pure joking in the Mail and waterlogged didn´t get it...sweeeet

Actually, I think he's fully aware of the fact that Feser is trying very hard to troll him .

[scamps]

LOL that was pure joking in the Mail and waterlogged didn´t get it...sweeeet

first time I see something like sense of humor at Feser

[bundymania]

Nah, think about the "Hells Angels Info" on the Xing Site from Mario or the Info, that they´re willing to invest 2 Mio. in new products in 2009

[scamps]

Nah, think about the "Hells Angels Info" on the Xing Site from Mario or the Info, that they´re willing to invest 2 Mio. in new products in 2009

upps - you are right

[Metroid]

well, it is then an aluminium radiator if that is true

I don't care if some parts were made of aluminium. I use only distilled water anyway. I feel sorry for the people who use coolant and various metals within it.

[MagisD]

Distilled doesn't protect against aluminium.

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[Waterlogged]

LOL that was pure joking in the Mail and waterlogged didn´t get it...sweeeet

Actually, the joke is on you. If somebody had taken the time to quote that post, you would have clearly seen the prank.

[bundymania]

Jaja laber mal du Honk

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community...-748456-5.html

When will you test the new Admiral Rads ?

[Waterlogged]

Jaja laber du mal du Honk

When will you test the new Admiral Rads ?

Google couldn't translate all of that.

I wont be testing them, that's skinnee's job.