New rumor about ATI Southern Islands

[Mechromancer]

No delay.
2 weeks to go.

Source?

[flopper]

Source?

pressevent is like 14 oct or so, so that with availibility is 2 weeks away, and first likely is a limited number of cards with a lot more in November.
havent seen any offical info otherwise.
if they had postponed anything I bet we see a release from amd.

http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showp...&postcount=621

[Tha Last Meal]

the release date was never known, so those who comment on the "possible" delay and there cosmetic comments didn't even know when to expect it.... now I call that funny

yo boy look here and read :

AMD has recently postponed the launch schedule of its next-generation Radeon HD 6000 series GPUs (Southern Islands) from the original October 12 to November, according to sources from graphics card makers....

This means that AMD HD 6000 will launch next-generation in October 12, but There something happened (We do not know about it) in the time launch. so they delayed to November ..... so What is funny about this ??

the release date was never known

OOOOOOOOMG
Radeon HD 6000 launch in late October

AMD to launch Radeon HD 6000 Series, "Southern Islands" on October 14, 2010

Radeon HD 6000-series 'Barts Pro' card to launch on October 18?

[cowie]

Speaking from of a user perspective
I wish both sides would delay the new offerings....what we need newer cards for?
Maybe its time to let the games/apps catch up?
WE dont need new ati cards that brown screen at every chance they can + around chrismas time would not be too late IMO.
Unless they just want a leg up on nv?

[Calmatory]

Speaking from of a user perspective
I wish both sides would delay the new offerings....what we need newer cards for?
Maybe its time to let the games/apps catch up?
WE dont need new ati cards that brown screen at every chance they can + around chrismas time would not be too late IMO.
Unless they just want a leg up on nv?

Of course they push their tech to the consumers as quickly as possible, to get more sales and to get more market share. And to widen their lead over Nvidia. More money for them, better cards for consumers. Everyone is happy. Except Nvidia, but they baked their own cake.

What could be the reason of this supposed delay? To build stock and try to prevent shortage? To launch HD67xx and HD68xx at the same time?

Barts was supposed to be HD67xx, and launch later half of October, followed by HD68xx in November. Could this be just some misunderstanding related to Barts being HD67xx or HD68xx? This is just like with HD4xxx, 480 SP or 800 SP, AMD is fooling the leaks with their slides.

[RaV[666]]

what we need newer cards for?

So the older get cheaper.
For almost a year there was no competition, and prices WENT UP instead gradually going down.
Competition is great, GTX 460 768 costs almost the same as HD5770 in my country now, at last there is pricing movement.
ATIs new 6xxx models will make things even more cheaper on the whole.This time tho im buying right after the premiere :P.Waiting with 5xxx series got me nowhere.

[herderien]

having a month / 2 months old card, with 1 or 2 driver updates after release on shelves by Xmas is not a bad idea imho, in a marketting point of view.

And i might say that as a user i look forward to this new offer either to buy it or use the benefit of a price drop on 4x0 series.
my 4870x2 is getting old ^^

[Olivon]

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Hope that's not right ...

Correct : A little mistake from NH, HD5770 has 128-bit memory bus

[Calmatory]

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Hope that's not right ...

If the 4+1 -> 4D rumour is true, that chart can't make sense at all, the number of SPs does not match. So, either that chart or 4+1->4D transition rumour is wrong.

[marten_larsson]

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Hope that's not right ...

That would be a massive fail on AMD's part if that is true. A new card but no substantial performance increase or efficiency increase after a year. Makes no sense.

[Shadov]

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Hope that's not right ...

Why not? If they fill the gap with 6850 and 6870 instead of 6830 and introduce additionally a wider 6900 series then it all makes sense.

Remember that Nvidia was targeting especially the weakest link (5830) and now AMD is introducing a richer product portfolio in that price range along with 69xx.

[Mechanical Man]

That would be a massive fail on AMD's part if that is true. A new card but no substantial performance increase or efficiency increase after a year. Makes no sense.

Eh forgot Cayman?

[Calmatory]

That would be a massive fail on AMD's part if that is true. A new card but no substantial performance increase or efficiency increase after a year. Makes no sense.

Why wouldn't it make sense? Who says that there isn't going to be faster chips in 69xx? It is about naming. If Barts is smaller than Cypress and much cheaper to produce, and AMD doesn't consider Nvidia a threat, then it makes PERFECT sense. They can sell loads of those chips for bargain prices, effectively cutting Nvidia out from the market with GTX 460 etc., unless Nvidia manages to do real wonders with GF110.

Besides, wasn't there a rumour that Barts/Cayman was pin-compatible with Cypress? So the HD5xxx and HD6xxx cards could use the same PCBs and cooling solutions etc. Which would bring down the manufacturing costs even more -> Cheap cards.

[marten_larsson]

Eh forgot Cayman?

Nope. The performance of Barts or its efficiency (power) doesn't increase just because it has a bigger brother. Still, I'm not buying the whole "Barts is 6800-series", it will be too tight to squeeze in Cayman Pro/XT and Antilles (Pro/)XT in the 6900-series, at least if there is such a thing as Antilles Pro. That would make Cayman Pro the 6930 which sounds a bit lame to me.

[Olivon]

On OBR's blog :

- No manufacturer (I asked three) Radeon HD 6800 has the roadmap regonální allocation to stocks (obviously not made enough cards for the final launch) until November, entry (hard launch) is said to be deferred until the first week of November (review in October )

- Listed are also two cards the Radeon HD 68x0

- No new card, designated HD 6700 there ...

- The performance matches the name cards, do not worry ...as the successor to HD 5850/5870 performance with all the trimmings

- Life does not end Radeon HD 5000 will still be available as an addition to the portfolio next year, but will probably change their name and price

[RPGWiZaRD]

http://translate.google.com/translat...radeon-hd-6800

Well according to sweclockers the previous slide (900MHz core clock) are fake and this above would be correct with 850MHz and 960 SPs... With so many sources talking about 850MHz, 960 SPs etc it seems highly likely that this is more believable than the above big slide from chiphell.

[marten_larsson]

http://translate.google.com/translat...radeon-hd-6800

Well according to sweclockers the previous slide (900MHz core clock) are fake and this above would be correct with 850MHz and 960 SPs... With so many sources talking about 850MHz, 960 SPs etc it seems highly likely that this is more believable than the above big slide from chiphell.

Only problem is, if the specs on Nordichardware are true then 6000-series have worse efficiancy than 5000-series... (~5850 performance for >5850 power draw)

[RPGWiZaRD]

Yea I agree it seems a bit strange, but we don't know about the performance for starters, could be the 4D shader array or perhaps other unknown changes could actually help a lot... but with those specs I have a hard time believing it would be faster than HD5850 for sure but then it doesn't make sense at all that it would draw more power either. NO company would be stupid to release such product.

[Olivon]

Maybe HD6850 is on on par with HD5850 DX9/DX10 performance but with better DX11 support ? Idem for HD6870 and HD5870

I don't see HD6850 to be worst than HD5830 really ... To compete GTX 460 products, AMD needs a card that performs like HD5850 for less money IMHO

[Dimitriman]

It's only stupid because of the naming really
If AMD released:

6750=> 110-120 watts(much less than 5830), same performance as 5830 - 140-160$
6770=> 150 watts, same performance as 5850 - 200-220$

Everyone would be joying.

It's the naming that makes it all seem wrong and lame.

[marten_larsson]

It's only stupid because of the naming really
If AMD released:

6750=> 110-120 watts(much less than 5830), same performance as 5830 - 140-160$
6770=> 150 watts, same performance as 5850 - 200-220$

Everyone would be joying.

It's the naming that makes it all seem wrong and lame.

Yes and no. If the 6870 is a slightly faster 5850 with no improvements in power efficiency and higher price then it's a really stupid move. But I don't think the guys over at AMD are that dumb. But I agree, what AMD "needs" is a GTX460-killer which they already have really - just price the 5850 a bit more aggressive and there you have it.

Also I think the X7XX-cards have a very good reputation as being cheap, effective and with good performance. This is what Barts seems to be aiming at too so it would make sense to name it that way.

[FischOderAal]

what we need newer cards for?

Stagnation is regression. New products, more performance for the money, new functionalities, better competition.

[flopper]

early drivers also, expect a 20% increase over time.
then the naming scheme as far we know fits and works.

[zerazax]

It all depends on how improved the shader efficiency and tess engine is really... if it is much better at DX11 than the 5xxx's, it can perform faster overall

[Calmatory]

Bear in mind that the architectural changes on the chips design have been set in stone way before AMD even heard about GTX 460. Though, it's easy to disable SPs for better yields and product differentiation, if it becomes necessary.