6770 & 6750 Specs leaked

[Manicdan]

But multi gpu setups are still plagued with sync issues.

Single gpu for stability

agreed, im still not very happy with either xfire or sli. you quickly loose perf per $ and perf per watt, and then you have the bugs that come with it.

i just found out my 4850xfire was off for a few months now because i had catalyst AI as off. (i have the right to be mad at CCC for not telling me in the diagnostics that i should have turned that option ON for things to work right)

im sticking with microATX and a single card for a while, until things like shared memory comes out, i think duel gpu is just too much headache for the gains.

[dengyong]

But multi gpu setups are still plagued with sync issues.

Single gpu for stability

It'll probably cost more than that for the 6770

Higher clockspeed and memory.

Just testing to see if multi-quote still works.

[Boissez]

Nice... so about 15-20% higher perf/watt. Pretty good considering that it's on the same 40 nm process.

[FlawleZ]

agreed, im still not very happy with either xfire or sli. you quickly loose perf per $ and perf per watt, and then you have the bugs that come with it.

i just found out my 4850xfire was off for a few months now because i had catalyst AI as off. (i have the right to be mad at CCC for not telling me in the diagnostics that i should have turned that option ON for things to work right)

im sticking with microATX and a single card for a while, until things like shared memory comes out, i think duel gpu is just too much headache for the gains.

Wow you must not have been playing games recently. Xfire vs no Xfire is quite a difference when its enabled and functioning fully.

[Manicdan]

Wow you must not have been playing games recently. Xfire vs no Xfire is quite a difference when its enabled and functioning fully.

GTA4, the most cpu bound game ever

[Jowy Atreides]

Just testing to see if multi-quote still works.

lol yeah ^^
Tripleposted x.x.

Maybe the forum should install an automerger?

Wow you must not have been playing games recently. Xfire vs no Xfire is quite a difference when its enabled and functioning fully.

In fps numbers, yes.
In actual fluidity, no.

Games are jittery with multi gpu cards.
So that extra 40fps or whatever you gain with a second card has the visual effect of gimping you to the smoothness of 15fps on a single card.

Go read:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=258433

25fps single card is better than 50 on sli

[ColonelCain]

Surprised that no one has specifically pointed out the confirmed change from a 5D shader to a 4D shader set-up.

[Baron_Davis]

lol yeah ^^
Tripleposted x.x.

Maybe the forum should install an automerger?



In fps numbers, yes.
In actual fluidity, no.

Games are jittery with multi gpu cards.
So that extra 40fps or whatever you gain with a second card has the visual effect of gimping you to the smoothness of 15fps on a single card.

Go read:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=258433

25fps single card is better than 50 on sli

This is what poor ppl who can't afford SLI/CF say.

more > less

I think WC'ing is dumb, but I'm not gonna go and say that an air cooled CPU is cooler and can OC better than a WC'ed one...cause it can't.

[Jowy Atreides]

This is what poor ppl who can't afford SLI/CF say.

more > less

I have 7 figures in my bank and they're not my account number.
Single GPU > SLI.

Fools like maxishine who waste money aren't rich.
Sure, they are not poor but they don't respect their wealth enough to let it grow.

[MaK2000]

I have 7 figures in my bank and they're not my account number.

Single GPU > SLI.

I disagree. I get no noticeable stuttering and can tell a huge difference when I run single 5870 and Crossfire 5870.

5870 Crossfire>5870

[LightSpeed]

Single GPU > SLI.

Im afraid thats not always the case. To many people, SLI/CF has certainly helped. It basically enabled them to game smoothly at higher settings. Was it an illusion? Nope. Microstuttering, occasional lags etc are all points against Multi GPU, but the sheer performance gains in a decently optimised game more than makes up for it, atleast to many people that I know who use them.

To each, his own. If you think Single GPU > Multi GPU, you are entitled to your opinion but I dont necessarily agree to that statement fully

Moving on from the OT, Barts looks good! I also hear it overclocking like mad, should be interesting to play with atleast

[Jowy Atreides]

I disagree. I get no noticeable stuttering and can tell a huge difference when I run single 5870 and Crossfire 5870.

5870 Crossfire>5870

What games do you play?

Microstuttering is less pronounced with higher performance.

In games which need multi gpu setups for maximum settings, stuttering is obvious.
There is plenty of evidence in the thread linked.

Hearsay doesn't match evidence in debate.

Have some video links to 5970 ms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StgYSLr0XiY

TAKE A TEST.

Can you see stuttering in this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emG7ZNIsxw8

It's clearly there, very easy to spot.
Lowest playback resolution to avoid playback stutter.

Let me know if you see the stuttering because I believe you do have it but are just ignorant.

[generics_user]

first video isn't microstuttering; it's frame buffer or load, when i had a 3870CF setup i never noticed microstuttering but i noticed gains in fluidity when switching to a 4870 which was just as fast in properly optimized titles and faster than the CF in unoptimised titles...

however CF does give you noticeable performance gains (just take a look at the frametimes you postet; even the slowest frametimes of the sli setup is better than the basline; average fps suggest that you get a 90-100% gain but using frametimes you get a worst case increase of around 50-70% which is very noticeable in alot of games; i say that a 30fps single setup feels better than a 35-40fps CF setup in some games which suffer from MS (not all games create microstutter); but when properly optimized a CF setup is 70-100% faster than a single setup so you won't notice the uneven frametimes...

[Baron_Davis]

I have 7 figures in my bank and they're not my account number.
Single GPU > SLI.

Fools like maxishine who waste money aren't rich.
Sure, they are not poor but they don't respect their wealth enough to let it grow.

Sure you do! Is your girlfriend a supermodel, too?? LOL

[Manicdan]

i didnt want to start up a war over multi gpus and stuttering

what i have experienced in many games is that if i leave FPS at 60 vsynced, i get some actual "jumping" a short stutter about once every 2-3 seconds. so i set the framerate limit to 55fps, and its 100% gone. i do notice that multi gpu is able to let me set things much higher, but the headache per game still can suck, and if i have to keep adding in console commands (if they even have one) surely makes it to much work to get that extra perf. i would rather pay 2x and get 1.5x of a single card, than get 1.8x theoretical with duel card.

btw the screenshot Jowy showed, the frame rate is about 40-45 on the duel gpu, even though the average would apear to be ~55 to fraps, while single is 30.

what free program is great for checking per frame delay times? id like to do some testing with my setup

[Sn0wm@n]

single gpu rocks... no it doesnt .. yes it does ... no it doesnt ... LOLL

[Xoulz]

first video isn't microstuttering; it's frame buffer or load, when i had a 3870CF setup i never noticed microstuttering but i noticed gains in fluidity when switching to a 4870 which was just as fast in properly optimized titles and faster than the CF in unoptimised titles...

however CF does give you noticeable performance gains (just take a look at the frametimes you postet; even the slowest frametimes of the sli setup is better than the basline; average fps suggest that you get a 90-100% gain but using frametimes you get a worst case increase of around 50-70% which is very noticeable in alot of games; i say that a 30fps single setup feels better than a 35-40fps CF setup in some games which suffer from MS (not all games create microstutter); but when properly optimized a CF setup is 70-100% faster than a single setup so you won't notice the uneven frametimes...

The actual FPS don't matter, when there is micro-stutter..

To me, I don't care what my frames are, if they have micro-stutter, then it's pointless. Again, 100FPS with stutter is meaningless, because they are not enjoyable.


I think Jowy's criteria is the same.

[flopper]

single gpu less hassle and with overclocking the high end 6000 serie should be enough for most uses.
even with eyefinity.
If they added enough performance gain then a single card should be equal to a 5970+ with overclocking.
well find out soon.

[FlawleZ]

I disagree. I get no noticeable stuttering and can tell a huge difference when I run single 5870 and Crossfire 5870.

5870 Crossfire>5870

Yeah, I never noticed any stuttering when I ran my 7800 GTX's in SLI and it was a significant improvement in performance.

[Baron_Davis]

poverty's a

[Olivon]

[kuroikenshi]

gotta love disclaimers...

[jaredpace]

Barts xt = 6870... haha. It's going to be slower than a 5870... lame marketing...

[zerazax]

Barts xt = 6870... haha. It's going to be slower than a 5870... lame marketing...

That disclaimer proves nothing about naming. The launch guidelines could cover quite a bit

[osiris999]

I have 7 figures in my bank and they're not my account number.
Single GPU > SLI.

Fools like maxishine who waste money aren't rich.
Sure, they are not poor but they don't respect their wealth enough to let it grow.

can i see a screen shot of your account balance? not doubting you in anyway and dont want to see anything that could hurt your identity but i just wanna see 7 figures.