AM3+ is backward compatible with the AM3, but Bulldozer is for AM3+ only

[FreeRadical]

pun intended

[AbortRetryFail?]

Pretty much old news (but the Old News bears repeating since the last *Roadmap* from AMD was a bit misleading ...)



And YES, it is disappointing. Reduced performance on AM3 is not as big an issue with me as having to purchase another OEM license from MS with that new motherboard on top of having to purchase the CPU itself.

So a $200-$300 expense simply for a new CPU becomes a $450-$550 expense because of the need for a new OS and motherboard (not to mention the aggravation of reinstalling your OS and Apps).

AMD shot themselves in the foot with this one. Shame. Shame. Shame.

[Manicdan]

who says boards will be 150-250$? and the only real loss is the price paid on current boards if you bought AM3 thinking it would be BD compatible, which ranges from 50-200$, with most AM3 boards being about 100$, and were out for quite some time before BD comes out letting you use your DDR3 for a while.

the platform compatibility from AMD has been INCREDIBLE for the last half decade. and you may GET MORE PERFORMANCE out of the newer boards!!!! how you wonder, well with the new power features, it can probably drop idle power for cores not being used much better than we currently get, which means theres more remaining TDP left to overclock the cores being used. so with AM3+, low threaded applications may have a few extra hundred mhz due to better power management.

[AbortRetryFail?]

who says boards will be 150-250$? and the only real loss is the price paid on current boards if you bought AM3 thinking it would be BD compatible, which ranges from 50-200$, with most AM3 boards being about 100$, and were out for quite some time before BD comes out letting you use your DDR3 for a while.

the platform compatibility from AMD has been INCREDIBLE for the last half decade. and you may GET MORE PERFORMANCE out of the newer boards!!!! how you wonder, well with the new power features, it can probably drop idle power for cores not being used much better than we currently get, which means theres more remaining TDP left to overclock the cores being used. so with AM3+, low threaded applications may have a few extra hundred mhz due to better power management.

Once again ... you cannot *legally* transfer your OEM Windows OS to a new motherboard.

And based upon my experience with Adobe --- good luck with that, too.

Most other folks are good with license transfers (or, like with Vegas, allow installations across multiple rigs as long as the rigs are not operated simultaneously)

[Manicdan]

yeah you can, i did it all the time. when you run out of installs you just have to call them up and say you changed motherboards and they give you a new copy or remove your old registrations. the only cost is an extra 5 minutes of time for the phone call

[FlanK3r]

I have local roadmap from April 2010 ,-), and here is AM3+
Guys, think, for totaly new architecture is not bad to be with new socket AM3+. Higher performance with this new socket is not bad news, but good news! We had compactibility form AMD long, long time, did u not remember? And some compactibility will with Thubans, example: u will not yet money for new CPU (this time u are at some Athlon II or Phenom II), so u can to buy AM3+ board and later u buy Zambezzi. To AM3+ we can now "insert" Denebs and Thubans !

[DosDuoNo]

will it support my athlon XP 3200+ and ddr 333 ram? if not this is a rip off, i paid over £200 punds for those, 5 years ago

[FlanK3r]

. I think yes, with some pin mods u can take your Barton to AM3+ too

[Mechanical Man]

And YES, it is disappointing. Reduced performance on AM3 is not as big an issue with me as having to purchase another OEM license from MS with that new motherboard on top of having to purchase the CPU itself.

So a $200-$300 expense simply for a new CPU becomes a $450-$550 expense because of the need for a new OS and motherboard (not to mention the aggravation of reinstalling your OS and Apps).

AMD shot themselves in the foot with this one. Shame. Shame. Shame.

Why dont buy Retail OS in first place? You have you alone to blame. Same would go for intel upgrade "path".

ps. I have been in impression that just changing mb you dont need to buy new license.

[RaV[666]]

ps. I have been in impression that just changing mb you dont need to buy new license.

Legally you have to.BUT, you can lie to them that your dog ate the mobo and they will transfer the license ;-)

[MrMojoZ]

And YES, it is disappointing. Reduced performance on AM3 is not as big an issue with me as having to purchase another OEM license from MS with that new motherboard on top of having to purchase the CPU itself.

So a $200-$300 expense simply for a new CPU becomes a $450-$550 expense because of the need for a new OS and motherboard (not to mention the aggravation of reinstalling your OS and Apps).

AMD shot themselves in the foot with this one. Shame. Shame. Shame.

Nonsense. You don't have to buy a new OS license and you don't have to always re-install your OS.

[Mats]

AM3+ is an incredibly bad compromise, it has no future, and yet you can't keep the motherboard you bought last week.

All because of a last minute decision made by AMD, a desicion they should've done long ago.

[Sn0wm@n]

Pretty much old news (but the Old News bears repeating since the last *Roadmap* from AMD was a bit misleading ...)



And YES, it is disappointing. Reduced performance on AM3 is not as big an issue with me as having to purchase another OEM license from MS with that new motherboard on top of having to purchase the CPU itself.

So a $200-$300 expense simply for a new CPU becomes a $450-$550 expense because of the need for a new OS and motherboard (not to mention the aggravation of reinstalling your OS and Apps).

AMD shot themselves in the foot with this one. Shame. Shame. Shame.

but you knew from the start that an oem license had those con's ... so why blame amd for something that you should have tought right from the start ...

AM3+ is an incredibly bad compromise, it has no future, and yet you can't keep the motherboard you bought last week.

All because of a last minute decision made by AMD, a desicion they should've done long ago.

LOL angry much ....

[Manicdan]

AM3+ is an incredibly bad compromise, it has no future, and yet you can't keep the motherboard you bought last week.

All because of a last minute decision made by AMD, a desicion they should've done long ago.

how does it have no future? when do you expect to see AM4 boards? and do you think that every AM4 cpu will not have AM3+ compatibility like AM2+/AM3?

i bought 1 DDR2 board(AM2+), and i plan to buy 1 DDR3 board(AM3+), and then im waiting for DDR4 to drop in price which will probably be right when AM4+ is coming out.

[Mats]

so why blame amd for something that you should have tought right from the start ...

He can blame AMD as much as he wants. AMD obviously knew what it takes to make a BD motherboard with the C32 and the G34 sockets, but they just didn't bother with introducing the AM3+ socket for the 800 series chipsets at the same time.

[MAS]

"new" socket AM3+ for AMD is the way to sell more 9xx chipsets.
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don't know where to post .... - Bulldozer will be significantly faster than K10 in SuperPi

[MrMojoZ]

He can blame AMD as much as he wants. AMD obviously knew what it takes to make a BD motherboard with the C32 and the G34 sockets, but they just didn't bother with introducing the AM3+ socket for the 800 series chipsets at the same time.

Server and desktop chips aren't the same, and the server ones came first. You don't have to like the decision, but the reasoning you are putting forth is flawed. I rarely change chip class without changing motherboards so I can't relate to the people issues here.

[RaV[666]]

All because of a last minute decision made by AMD, a desicion they should've done long ago.

Thats not really true, its hardly "last minute" ,was announced month ago, and bulldozer is at least year away.Thats more than a year notification.
Amd most probably could make BD work on 8xx chipsets tho, probably with some efficiency and performance reduction.But obviously they have bigger problems than making it compatible.

[Sn0wm@n]

He can blame AMD as much as he wants. AMD obviously knew what it takes to make a BD motherboard with the C32 and the G34 sockets, but they just didn't bother with introducing the AM3+ socket for the 800 series chipsets at the same time.

so please tell me how would you have done it instead if you were the big leader at amd

"new" socket AM3+ for AMD is the way to sell more 9xx chipsets.
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don't know where to post .... - Bulldozer will be significantly faster than K10 in SuperPi

lol what a nice logic ....

[Mats]

how does it have no future? when do you expect to see AM4 boards? and do you think that every AM4 cpu will not have AM3+ compatibility like AM2+/AM3?

Given that the backwards compatibility is so limited (as in old CPU in new board, most people are looking for the opposite), they could've done a fresh start, with a new socket line.
Add at least a couple of hundred pins and integrate the PCIe for instance. Now I'm not saying that I need that, but it's something AMD will add in the near future, and that will require a new socket.

so please tell me how would you have done it instead if you were the big leader at amd

AMD could either have introduced AM3+ this year. They didn't.

Or, AMD could have made a new socket series with room for improvements. They didn't.

Instead, AMD ended up with AM3+, forcing people to buy new boards again even though AMD obviously (C32 and G34) knew what kind of specs BD needed then they launched the 800 chipsets, but there are not enough pins left for future improvements like integrated PCIe (which I still don't need ).

That is a bad compromise.

[Hell Hound]

I',m sticking w/ddr2 until quad channel ddr4 is here.

[DosDuoNo]

. I think yes, with some pin mods u can take your Barton to AM3+ too

ahh pin mods, your taking me back now to an old site i used to hang out on, for me this web page was pure genius back then,

pin mod barton/T'Bred

[Mats]

Server and desktop chips aren't the same, and the server ones came first.

AFAIK, I thought the difference between a board being compatible or a non compatible with BD was power distribution (and BIOS, of course) and not necessarily the chipset, a bit like how S775 was changed in 2006.

[Sn0wm@n]

Given that the backwards compatibility is so limited (as in old CPU in new board, most people are looking for the opposite), they could've done a fresh start, with a new socket line.
Add at least a couple of hundred pins and integrate the PCIe for instance. Now I'm not saying that I need that, but it's something AMD will add in the near future, and that will require a new socket.


AMD could either have introduced AM3+ this year. They didn't.

Or, AMD could have made a new socket series with room for improvements. They didn't.

Instead, AMD ended up with AM3+, forcing people to buy new boards again even though AMD obviously (C32 and G34) knew what kind of specs BD needed then they launched the 800 chipsets, but there are not enough pins left for future improvements like integrated PCIe (which I still don't need ).

That is a bad compromise.

allright then .. dont buy an am3+ mobo when they come out

[MrMojoZ]

AMD could either have introduced AM3+ this year. They didn't.

Or, AMD could have made a new socket series with room for improvements. They didn't.

Instead, AMD ended up with AM3+, forcing people to buy new boards again even though AMD obviously (C32 and G34) knew what kind of specs BD needed then they launched the 800 chipsets, but there are not enough pins left for future improvements like integrated PCIe (which I still don't need ).

That is a bad compromise.

You don't know any of this to be true. You don't know if the desktop BD chips were finished when the 800 series chips came out. It would have been nice to keep backwards compatibility, but it really isn't a big deal. Your mad about motherboards that will have been out for over a year being outdated. I hope you never buy an Intel platform, you'll explode.