Feser's New Lineup

[Mudgey]

I shall be getting my hands on one of these so that my revision 2 rad stands will be compatible.

[Chris Beard]

They are alu. Sad days. Feser say they rough up the molicules to stop them mis-behaving. I'm not convinced.

http://hw-lab.com/feser-admiral-radi...ntroduced.html

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[SoulsCollective]

Blergh Al throughout. Do not want. Just ask Swiftech - no amount of fancy tech can overcome the fact that chemistry's a female dog.

[Martinm210]

They are alu. Sad days. Feser say they rough up the molicules to stop them mis-behaving. I'm not convinced.

http://hw-lab.com/feser-admiral-radi...ntroduced.html

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Thanks for the link

Then my soapbox statement:

I really wish we would see more SCIENCE and COMPARATIVE TEST RESULTS with all NEW PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENTS

I would think there was testing on this in the development of it...so where is it? Why not share with the public? Why do we have to WAIT??

I know I've never been very patient...

OK, I'll go to my corner now..

[rioja]

this nano coating on molecular level will make a real revolution in watercooling, just imagine that from now never corrosion will happen if mix copper with alu

[DarthBeavis]

want tests

[skinnee]

It is hilarious how a pre-release radiator has the same sort of FUD campaign as an NV/ATI pre-release.

[turtletrax]

It is hilarious how a pre-release radiator has the same sort of FUD campaign as an NV/ATI pre-release.

I agree skinnee. The other thing is it has been going on for months....

I tried feser, i tried real hard... have to pull off a miracle to get me to buy one of these now

[Huww]

Aluminum

[Factotum]

Don't tell me there hasn't been testing on this in the development of it...so where is it? Why not share with the public?

this from development: http://www.feser-one.com/admiral/admiral.swf

[penguins]

Will all this features make any difference in performance compared to what ordinary rads can?
No one know, yet.

gotta love their own testing!!

[meanmoe]

*It is proved from reliable resource that frames are made of aluminum, however, there is no exact information on tube material. One information source states the tubes are made of aluminum, on the other hand Feser, through third parties, says the tube will be copper.
It is just a matter of time when the truth reveals.
Because of the controversial information about the material that will be used for Admiral radiator manufacturing, all information from TFC/Admiral official site was removed. Instead the following picture appeared:

Seriously, does anyone really know they're all Al yet. It says frame.

[ScottALot]

K what's going on? I keep getting reassured that the frame is aluminum and not the channels, but at the same time people keep whining about the aluminum

IS IT IN THE CHANNELS OR NOT?!

EDIT: right as I posted, meanmoes post came up... thanks!

[skinnee]

No aluminum in the water path.

[meanmoe]

Looks like the price is going to be just ridiculous though...


EDIT: hw-labs says that the pricing is going to be double or more the current line... does this mean $300 for a triple? I think that is just stupid.

[Church]

BTW, i don't get it, is rad weight really that big of issue worth fighting with, or it's just shugarcoating "we couldn't make it all from brass/copper, but let's just call it in some unobtanium mumbo tech name and use aluminium as cheaper material"?
(^ of course if right ones are those saying that it's aluminium water tubes coated with that nano-coating/roughing or raping up or something, if aluminium doesn't touch water anywhere, as in just for outer fins, or if is used only as material for shroud, then no problems)
I accept as given, that case fitted with all the LC components + water will be heavier a lot. Even if rad will be half kilogram lighter then alternatives, imho it doesn't matter in overall picture of 25-30kg.

[ScottALot]

It's obvious that Feser's going to have no choice but to put their rads in their competitor's price range. Even the most extreme enthusiasts have a conscience, I doubt anyone would buy something for twice as much as the TA's.

[turtletrax]

Looks like the price is going to be just ridiculous though...


EDIT: hw-labs says that the pricing is going to be double or more the current line... does this mean $300 for a triple? I think that is just stupid.

What would hw-labs know about pricing?

[MagisD]

It's obvious that Feser's going to have no choice but to put their rads in their competitor's price range. Even the most extreme enthusiasts have a conscience, I doubt anyone would buy something for twice as much as the TA's.

Incorrect.

Example

A. The monsta rad.

B.Custom cut and anodized plates and cases.

C. Sending out allready bought blocks and panels for powder coating to match.

D. MDPC-X

I'm guilty of at least 2 of those its an enthusiastic market. Some people willing to pay for just bling.

Raw cooling power ghetto style my build cost $2000. Nicely done $5000.

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[Factotum]

may be future Monstra:


USSR innovation in 196x

[meanmoe]

What would hw-labs know about pricing?

that's fair. I don't know. They seem to have more info than other right now....

[ScottALot]

Incorrect.

Example

A. The monsta rad.

B.Custom cut and anodized plates and cases.

C. Sending out allready bought blocks and panels for powder coating to match.

D. MDPC-X

I'm guilty of at least 2 of those its an enthusiastic market. Some people willing to pay for just bling.

Raw cooling power ghetto style my build cost $2000. Nicely done $5000.

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Yeah but all of that is offered as a performance-weighted premium... (performance in aesthetics, too). Forgive me if I'm the only one who sees it like this, but isn't this just another radiator design to compete with Thermochill, XSPC, and HW-Labs? I can see them making another Monsta off of this easily, so this looks like a baseline to me.

[MagisD]

There's monsta in the line up it's like 18 rads total.

Personally I went with swiftech rads. I trust them. And there only ones that would fit: -)

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[Waterlogged]

It is hilarious how a pre-release radiator has the same sort of FUD campaign as an NV/ATI pre-release.

Well, that's what happens when your pre release press info is full of FUD to start with. Noticed they pulled the site, likely so the translation monkey's can do the job right this time.


As for the post where someone said they hope these are a few degrees better than what's out now, I don't really know if that's going to be possible. After all, these rads and what's currently available, still make use of the same element for the final transfer. . .air. That and the stuff we have already is pretty well refined to what can be done within the current standard fan form factors, which the Admiral line will still have to fit or be relegated to being mostly useless.

[meanmoe]

I've never seen anyone show that we've reached a theoretical limit for heat transfer through a radiator. I've seen it said a couple of time, but not shown. Have I missed this?

It seems as though they've applied an industrial solution with what seems to be some science in it. I'm very curious. I'm extremely curious to see if the possible improvement justifies the expected price tag. In my experience, good engineering effort can usually always come up with a better solution. The real problem is usually justifying the cost (including development time). If you take their previous line as a benchmark though, we may see anything spectacular except a price and another effective pre-release campaign.