ATI cannot make working video drivers

[audiofreak]

1) well it was so jump on the person who brought it in & a stupid analogy.

I already did, and my analogy is perfectly suitable. You are the only one responsible for what you do.

2) i did understand but the phrase is used to claim one has & other does not so use the correct phrase in the first place.

Nobody even tried to claim that ATI has problems and NVIDIA doesn't in this whole thread.

3) no it does not make it less of an ati problem but that's not the point of my comment...

So you admit that your comment doesn't have a point? It is as I suspected then

I made a true comment about NV having the same issue & that's all, it could of been left to die there but others chose not to leave it there.

What makes your comment !true is that you were not the first to say it.

It was pointless before when others said it (because nobody claimed that NVIDIA doesn't have its own share of issues), and it is equally pointless now.

Btw, I only see you trying to keep the ATI .vs. NVIDIA flame going with your comment. I would really like that flame to die so we can keep discussing the problems we are having.

I have let Steam update my ATI drivers to 10.9. Now Left 4 Dead 2 and Team Fortress 2 crash on exit. May be a problem with a Steam update, but it started after ATI drivers have been updated.