Nvidia's Next Gen Speculation

[ElSel10]

Let's face the elephant in the room, nvidia is massively behind and in not very good shape to catch up.

In some consumer segments, yes. In the mid to high end desktop consumer segments, no.

In the commercial and workstation segments, ATI can't even see Nvidia's dust in front of them, and HD6000 won't change that.

[RPGWiZaRD]

Just cuz they have a rather fast highend single GPU card doesn't mean they are doing well. There's so much more to it than performance alone. :p Nvidia is in a worse position than they've been for many many years.

[ElSel10]

Just cuz they have a rather fast highend single GPU card doesn't mean they are doing well. There's so much more to it than performance alone. :p Nvidia is in a worse position than they've been for many many years.

Regarding the GeForce line, their high end single GPU is only marginally faster than the high end ATI GPU.

But with Quadro vs. FirePro, there is absolutely no comparison. It's like 8800GTX vs. 2900XT, maybe even a larger gap.

The Quadro 5000 and 6000 absolutely decimate the FirePro V8800 and V9800. The Quadro 6000 is very expensive, but at its performance, you either pay up or go home.

[saaya]

i would laugh if their supercomputing/professional/mobile segment tech ends up taking them to the next level financially speaking.

actually thats what keeps them afloat atm, and it keeps them floating very comfortably in the sun with a pair of sunglasses and a cool drink in their hand

so what are the rumors? can somebody sum it up?
40nm
big
based on gf10x

thats all?
so its pretty much nvidias cayman...

[Kondik]

thats all?
so its pretty much nvidias cayman...

I'd say Like Porche Cayenne ... Bbig children sucking & fusing for additional power expensive mammoth performing on par with a 10 years old Land Cruiser ? Better hope not.

[STEvil]

Regarding the GeForce line, their high end single GPU is only marginally faster than the high end ATI GPU.

But with Quadro vs. FirePro, there is absolutely no comparison. It's like 8800GTX vs. 2900XT, maybe even a larger gap.

The Quadro 5000 and 6000 absolutely decimate the FirePro V8800 and V9800. The Quadro 6000 is very expensive, but at its performance, you either pay up or go home.

2900XT is actually about as fast as 8800GTX these days.

How many of the top end Quadro cards has nV sold? I know ATi sold a huge load of 4870X2's for some super computer somewhere..

[Picao84]

2900XT is actually about as fast as 8800GTX these days.

How many of the top end Quadro cards has nV sold? I know ATi sold a huge load of 4870X2's for some super computer somewhere..

Quadro's are not for compute. Quadro's are for visual workstation market.

[Vardant]

2900XT is actually about as fast as 8800GTX these days.

Any benchmarks to back that up, cause I find that hard to believe.

[Sn0wm@n]

Quadro's are not for compute. Quadro's are for visual workstation market.

false ... quadro can be used for compute duty too .... but they have video output .. wich tesla doesnt have ...

[spursindonesia]

Any benchmarks to back that up, cause I find that hard to believe.

Raw performance only i presume, because R 600 (and also RV 670) sucks when AA and AF are turned on, exactly my reason of holding on my X1900 XT 256 MB (G 80 cards were plenty expensive in my country) and then using 8800 GT back then.

[Picao84]

false ... quadro can be used for compute duty too .... but they have video output .. wich tesla doesnt have ...

Well, of course they can. They have the same chip. But, as far as I know, nVIDIA is not selling them as such. For that they offer the Teslas.

[3NZ0]

false ... quadro can be used for compute duty too .... but they have video output .. wich tesla doesnt have ...

You were saying?

[Manicdan]

Any benchmarks to back that up, cause I find that hard to believe.

a 2900xt vs 4850 showed almost no noticeable change. however tacking on heavy AA does still hurt the 2900 more than a 48xx

the gpu was just fine without AA when it first came out, and they did optimize it very well over time. i loved mine with a volt mod on water and 940mhz core 24/7

[ElSel10]

2900XT is actually about as fast as 8800GTX these days.

No, it isn't.

[spursindonesia]

R580 does beat the out of any G71 based cards in todays games, even at times outperform the dualcard 7950 GTX, but for the unified shader era cards, the performance difference beetween competing cards is quite stable, even after sometime has passed by & driver matured. Standard X2900 XT is mostly slightly faster than 9600 GT, a bit slower than 8800 GT, until AA & AF are cranked up, then things will get ugly for the red corner.

But enough with the OOT, unless there's some new evidence forwarded, i think most peep agree that even TODAY, X2900 XT is still inferior overall against 8800 GTX.

[trinibwoy]

Just watched the JHH GTC keynote. As expected, given the audience the focus was on HPC stuff. There were a couple volumetric and tessellation demos too but nothing that will show up in games anytime soon. There was a sneak peek of tessellation in H.A.W.X 2 (starting at 4:40) but the PC version is delayed to November so it'll be a while before we see benchmarks.

http://livesmooth.istreamplanet.com/nvidia100921/

[ElSel10]

Just watched the JHH GTC keynote. As expected, given the audience the focus was on HPC stuff. There were a couple volumetric and tessellation demos too but nothing that will show up in games anytime soon. There was a sneak peek of tessellation in H.A.W.X 2 (starting at 4:40) but the PC version is delayed to November so it'll be a while before we see benchmarks.

http://livesmooth.istreamplanet.com/nvidia100921/

A little late to the party I've already seen all three

[kaktus1907]

Nvidia is working on a mid-life kicker chip, something that will replace Fermi and something that will have to deal with the competition until Kepler comes at 28nm.

The new chip is designed to fight the Radeon HD 6000 series and of course Nvidia thinks that it has a clear win, and we quite sure ATI thinks the same.

We don’t really know as all the information we are gathering are contradictory. We do believe that Nvidia's kicker comes after Radeon HD 6000 launch, but there is a big chance that you'll see this new Fermi, let’s call it Fermi 1.5 even in late 2010.

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/ite...-comes-in-40nm

[Pantsu]

I'd bet more on Q1/Q2 for the mid-life crysis. Fun times ahead!

[Olivon]

[Pantsu]

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...Zvv8oxkDmu2DDw

If this pans out we're certainly going to have some interesting times ahead.

[Sn0wm@n]

Well, of course they can. They have the same chip. But, as far as I know, nVIDIA is not selling them as such. For that they offer the Teslas.

they sell them to people who use them for video animation and stuff wich falls in the hpc category

You were saying?

so the new fermi based tesla have video output now ???

[kuroikenshi]

OMFG what a douche!!!! if the CEO of a company where I have money invested did this sorta stunt in public... I'd try to put him in jail... or even worse. I'd give him a GTX480 for x-mas with a note saying
"I hope this new heater will keep your mansion warm during the winter months, I know it doesn't look like much, but its heating potential is beyond human comprehension"