New Swiftech H20-X20 Edge cooling kits

[jalyst]

@Gabe
For the H20-220, how much would we be looking at for postage to Australia?
The Eco C240 is much cheaper yes, but postage is a little bit crazy @$84.50 USD.
I've bought larger and heavier items from the US before for less than that...

Just noticed you guys don't sell to end-users, you have resellers for that!?
I will consult your site for resellers in Australasia......

*edit*
My bad, you do have an online store, although I can't see these new kits on it.

Didn't you say in your OP...
Availability: we are starting to ship to retail channels this week, so expect to see the products at your favorite Swiftech store by mid-end of next week.
Which means they should be in the hands of many resellers by now, & so definitely in your online store!?

*edit2*
Aw crap, just checked with the primary distributor for Australia (Mittoni)...
The new kits won't be with them until 4-6 wks, so add a few more before it's in most of the retail channel.
Sigh, anyone know of a reseller in NA who already has them, and can ship overseas?

[Waterlogged]

Aw crap, just checked with the primary distributor for Australia (Mittoni)...
The new kits won't be with them until 4-6 wks, so add a few more before it's in most of the retail channel.
Sigh, anyone know of a reseller in NA who already has them, and can ship overseas?

PPC's & FrozenCPU both show them in stock.

[gabe]

Not sure I'll get an answer but. . .gabe, are the pumps numbers going to be in the same ballpark with say an EK or Koolance top?

IDK; haven't tested these tops (yet..)

[MagisD]

Oh my .....

[mlee49]

Your even comparing these to an H70 or a Coolit unit? Man............

Yeah, I am.

Name another All in One liquid cooling setup... Bigwater 7xx


What I'm saying is this is 3-4x the price of these and I'd like to see how it stacks up to the other AIO systems.

Tell me why I'm wrong, seems alot of people here are good at doing that. To bad 1/2 of those people couldn't just try to explain why they think otherwise in a respectful manner(instead of replying in a one line sentence and using a rofl gif).

[Church]

Even though these kits are AIO aswell, imho there is no sense to put them in same category as those ones. These kits have almost all things common with serious self assembled LC sys - good component choice, good performance but unfortunately also higher price and bigger size. Only thing that's different from self assembled LC builds - is that one spends a bit more time to select these or similar components himself and possibly at different shops. All the rest - common with self-assembled ones and different from other AIO LC sys-s out there.
Hats off for swiftech for releasing serious product that can ease entry in LC without performance compromises. These truly can be advised for those firstimers at LC wishing for better cooling solution then top air coolers, unlike H50 alike subpar gimps that have LC only in name, not in expected performance.

[gabe]

Yeah, I am.

Name another All in One liquid cooling setup... Bigwater 7xx


What I'm saying is this is 3-4x the price of these and I'd like to see how it stacks up to the other AIO systems.

Tell me why I'm wrong, seems alot of people here are good at doing that. To bad 1/2 of those people couldn't just try to explain why they think otherwise in a respectful manner(instead of replying in a one line sentence and using a rofl gif).

One of the most substantial differences is the pump technology. One is derived from aquarium technology, the other is an industrial class pump. Manufacturing cost for these pumps is 1/4 that of ours. These low cost pumps are relatively unproven, with ~2 years of activity in the field. Ours have been around for 6 years. Another difference explaining the price is volume manufacturing. Because these devices were adopted by some very arge OEM's, the cost savings are now trickling down to the consummer, which is a good thing by the way; the biggest problem as I see it, is that these devices where designed for large OEM's who have much different requirements than the DIY users.

Another question I have in my mind, based on 10 years of experience in this field, is how really "maintenance free" these devices will end up being after a couple of years of operations.

[mlee49]

Thanks Mr. Swiftech, say hello to the Mrs's. You bring up a very good point and that isn't something you would see in standard AIO LC reviews. Temps, temps, temps is all that seems to get posted and viewed. It's always good to know more about the product than just performance details.

[zads]

H20-220 Edge

Hey Gabe, I like this concept. Got the gears turning in my head for a new build

[Martinm210]

Anyone know of a review for these? I'd love to see it compared to the Corsair H70 or the new Coolit.

I havn't really kept up on the latest low cost kits. I understand they are getting better, but the great thing about these is the parts. Everything they are made of is the same thing we all use in our day to day custom WC rigs clear up to the show rigs that can cost upwards of 20G. I've had experience with low cost pumps fail before.

Oh and WC is a sickness, you might start out with a kit...but it won't be long before you're adding something. If you find yourself tinkering with things, you should consider options that allow expansion. My 2c.

[MagisD]

I havn't really kept up on the latest low cost kits. I understand they are getting better, but the great thing about these is the parts. Everything they are made of is the same thing we all use in our day to day custom WC rigs clear up to the show rigs that can cost upwards of 20G. I've had experience with low cost pumps fail before.

Oh and WC is a sickness, you might start out with a kit...but it won't be long before you're adding something. If you find yourself tinkering with things, you should consider options that allow expansion. My 2c.

God it is a sickness ... I started with a Thermal take Kandalf LCS $329 complete case and kit * shudder* the case was good kit not so much. Due to noise induced migraines and wanted quieter .. ended up completely replacing it with six months .. 3 years later my current builds hit 5k and that's without the actual computer.

But as my wife put up on facebook every time a Box arrives his smile gets bigger and bigger.

[corpses3]

Lower price and make the CPU block optional, then you have my business. Till then good luck.

[Waterlogged]

Who's PPC? They ship overseas?
Thanks RE FCPU, will check them out.

Performance-PC's

[eclypse]

http://www.performance-pcs.com

Was told that this week they will hopefully have the new Swiftech MCP 35X pumps as well.

[jalyst]

The apex ultima xt plus is pricier than the edge kit
Is it meant to be better performing or something?....

[hillywav]

just extra bits for VGA and chipset blocks, edge kit doesnt have it

[MagisD]

Distilled with Silver kill coil
Fans it depends on how cfm loud your willing to put up with , but I've haven't heard of anybody being unhappy with the current low noise cfm king Scythe gentle typhoon ap-15's (1850rpm model )

[jalyst]

Thanks MagisD, anyone else?!!? Thank-you very much!

Been a loooong time since I played with DIY WC....
Distilled water's usually fine right? (the idea being calcification etc can't occur)
Don't need some fancy/smancy branded cooling liquid right?

And can anyone recommend some decent fans/shrouds?
I've ordered the H20-220 Edge.....

Thank-you.

http://www.performance-pcs.com

Was told that this week they will hopefully have the new Swiftech MCP 35X pumps as well.

What, you mean they don't even have them in the edge kits yet?
I just ordered the H20-220 Edge from them....

just extra bits for VGA and chipset blocks, edge kit doesnt have it

I see so individual Rad, Pump, & CPU water-block aren't any better?
Just extra cost because of extra blocks for GPU, NB chipset, etc...

FCPU's postage isn't much better than CoolIT's @$74.15 for the cheapest option.

PPC isn't too bad @$54.25, which does get me under $390AUD, as I was hoping.
Well that's according to Google's exchange rate, which usually puts the AUD in a better position than paypal!

But those two sites are selling at the RRP, aren't there any selling below that yet?
Or is it too early to get sub-RRP yet....

$395.65 Aud total in-the-end, even paypal calculator was way off!
Still not too bad I guess, anyone know if there's retailers with sub-RRP yet?

[wanna overclock]

Does this radiator void the warranty on a pump? Since it is aftermarket.

[Kaldskryke]

This reinforces my & magisd's assertions
http://skinneelabs.com/coolants.html?page=4

No need to drink the coolant koolaid hype!
Distilled H2O* + a Biocide like PT_Nuke or Silver Kill coil is sufficient!?

What is the H20-220 Edge's Block & Rad are made from? (is that the only metal in the entire loop?)
Hopefully they're similar metals, as ya'll know Alu/Copper don't fancy one-another

Still, even if they're the same or similar metals e.g. Brass/Copper/Nickel...
I wonder if there's more that can be done to inhibit the corrosion process?
I've seen some mention Hydrx, but it apparently has it's own drawbacks.
Is making sure you have 'decent-ish' distilled or DI water about the only thing you can do?

Anyone got any recommendations for FANS/shrouds?
I want the highest CFM I can get without creating a "blower" for my externally mounted rad.

*de-ionised too, or that's the same thing? ytbd

The radiator part of the kit is the same as any MCR ( brass tubes, copper fins ) except for the modified plenums. The block is a low-cost version of the Apogee XT which has a copper base.

Even with dissimilar metals there is some amount of controversy regarding galvanic corrosion within watercooling loops. The physics behind galvanic corrosion requires there to be an electrical connection between the metals in addition to the ionic conduction path. I'm not convinced that distilled deionized water is conductive enough for that, so I'm still confused how it's even possible for galvanic corrosion to occur within a watercooling loop. I wouldn't bother with corrosion inhibitor products, and some aftermarket coolants have been shown to create nasty deposits after a while. EDIT: I have no intention on derailing this thread. If anyone would like to discuss corrosion, use a PM

Gentle Typhoon AP15s are excellent fans for radiators given their low noise level. If you want more flow, you'll have to put up with more noise.

[Thomas FJ]

Genius and absolute consumer orientated - hail Swiftech, u are the shizzle and deserve all the success!!! and
/Thomas

[jalyst]

The radiator part of the kit is the same as any MCR ( brass tubes, copper fins ) except for the modified plenums. The block is a low-cost version of the Apogee XT which has a copper base.

Even with dissimilar metals there is some amount of controversy regarding galvanic corrosion within watercooling loops. The physics behind galvanic corrosion requires there to be an electrical connection between the metals in addition to the ionic conduction path. I'm not convinced that distilled deionized water is conductive enough for that, so I'm still confused how it's even possible for galvanic corrosion to occur within a watercooling loop. I wouldn't bother with corrosion inhibitor products, and some aftermarket coolants have been shown to create nasty deposits after a while. EDIT: I have no intention on derailing this thread. If anyone would like to discuss corrosion, use a PM

Gentle Typhoon AP15s are excellent fans for radiators given their low noise level. If you want more flow, you'll have to put up with more noise.

Okay so we're talking only copper & brass that could potentially mingle via water, what about this modified plenum you speak of?
Yes I did some further research and the biggest consensus by far was for the AP-15's.
Especially considering they're for a rad. which will be used on a HTPC/PVR build.

Thanks for your thoughts Kaldskryke, they are appreciated!
I have started a separate thread here....

Amongst other things, I'm interested in discussing ways in which to mitigate the conditions for corrosion, even with like metals.
But I agree, that is best left for somewhere other than this thread...
I'd love to hear some more thoughts from you in response to mine there.

Thanks again everyone for your help & tolerance with me hijacking this thread somewhat!
I do apologise, I'm on a steep re-learning curve, so hopefully I won't be as irritating as time progresses.
I can't promise I'll never be irritating again though, otherwise I wouldn't be human

[vannguyen0]

How would this perform in a case like the FT02 where you would lay the rad flat on the bottom (on top of the 180mm fans)??

[Kaldskryke]

How would this perform in a case like the FT02 where you would lay the rad flat on the bottom (on top of the 180mm fans)??

installation notes from swiftech

Both this MCR-Drive and the original revision can be used with the fittings facing upwards, however the reservoir becomes non-functional and you will probably need another res in the loop. I'm not sure if you could just get by with a T-line.

[Blacky]

I ordered mine but seems you cannot do a push setup from bellow unless you do a push/pull config :/ the current push config allows more dust comes into the case unless i'm wrong...