Quote Originally Posted by flyck View Post
let me rephrase.llano/SB ULV which will be alot faster than Zacate while boasting a similar max tdp. So all zacate has is a lower price and better battery time in low load situations. (although the difference will not be that significant). If they can sell for each low end notebook a low priced low cost Zacate or a llano (higher cost) but huge profits (same range as ULV intels) they would be crazy to keep Zacate in that sector and loose llano sails (with higher profits). 18W on netbook is rather high, it is ontario that is mainly focussed on netbook and zacate on low power notebook to fill their current gap. Although i would expect that if llano is introduced for the low end they will start lowering the pwr requirements of zacate to scale them down to the upper end of netbook or really low power notebooks. (they just have to keep sure intel does not have lower cost chips for possible ulv notebook market
First, the Llano specs seen in this thread are pure speculation. But let's pretend they are real. Then you still have different TDP ranges. And I'm sure that a Llano part at 2.6GHz will be a lot "hotter" than a 1.6GHz Zacate. You have much larger cores originating from chips developed with servers in mind against a very small chip made to be extremely efficient in perf/w. Even if Llano is power optimized it simply can't be cooler than Zacate.
Even if there were a Llano at 20W TDP, it's still just TDP. Chips made at the same TDP can have significant differences in power consumption. The TDP-ranges are simply not in a resolution high enough for such comparisons.

In an poor attempt to explain let's pull some numbers out of my arse here.
18W TDP Zacate could mean 10W theoretical max, 7W real world max, 3w typical and 1w idle. A 20W Llano could mean 20W theoretical max, 15w real world max, 11w typical and 8w idle.
These numbers are of course pure fantasy, but my point is that TDP-ranges could mislead, one watt in theoretical max is enough to be put in a range with twice as high TDP number. And TDP don't show how efficient energy saving there is. A Zacate will probably have much better idle and low usage powers than Llano due to the very different bases for their design.

And then again, even if a normal Llano at 45-65w probably could be reasonably priced around 150-200usd for notebooks, a 20w ULV would be rare and thus priced a lot higher. At the same time Zacate and Ontario will be so cheap to produce that AMDs people could wipe their behinds with them if they had skin thick enough.

So, even IF a 2.6GHz Llano with 20W TDP existed. It would be much more expensive since the chips good enough would be rare, and it would probably use a considerable amount more power than a Zacate in real world, especially in idle and normal use.