AMD Benchmarks Zacate APU, 2x Faster GPU Performance than Core i5

[Blaber]

No one get mad about, but if we can speak about Intel's "unbalanced" cpu/igp configs, why can't we speak about "unblalnced" AMD configs? AMD did not demonstrated perf of the cpu part of zacate which rises some concern. Reading this thread i got impression that some ppl think that the main purpose of small and thin notebooks is to play 3d games.

Don't know what you are on about but performance of Zacate in its segment which is targeting net-books below 500$ is more than enough and any day better than Atom.

[Nintendork]

The id that the cpu would be in range of the 5450 is hokum.

5450 specs:
Radeon 5450 512MB DDR3
Stream Processors 80
Graphics Core Clock Speed 650MHz
Texture Units 8 8
Texture Fill-rate 5.2 Gigatexels/sec
ROPs 4
Pixel Fill-rate 2.6 Gpixels/sec
Memory Clock Speed 800MHz
Memory Interface 64-bit
Memory Bandwidth 12.8GB/sec
Typical Board Power 19.2W

Lets asume the rumour was true that gpu in zacate ran @ 500MHz, that is 150MHz or 24% less.

Memory Bandwtih 12.8GB/s. What is the bandwidth on Zacate? (and that is shared) + the latency.

Zacate was made to be as low power as possible while still having decent graphics. Like previous poster said, they give 40% higher gaming performance with 50% of the energy consumption (on cpu level) compared to the current notebooks out there without a dedicated card. Just like SB is a revelation in ondie gpu performance for desktops and high-end notebooks, Zacate is that for the low power market.

edit: I believe Zacate is powered towards gpu enhancments for applications (flash, HD, ..) and keep the power consumption as low as possible for those. That was the primary design of the APU, having another type of calculation unit that can be used to handle certain tasks at a much higher speed. Considering their gpu supports dx11, opencl etc developers have the opportunity to optimize their applications for these things. (wether that will happen is a whole different story)

SB IGP is not a revelation by any means since it will be humillated by the 400-480SP monster that is Llano(and not bottlenecked by low frequency cpu's, 2.5Ghz+ dual/quad setups). They just showed their IGP performance earlier, just that.

At mínimum 2-3 times faster than fully enabled SB IGP.

[Hornet331]

No one get mad about, but if we can speak about Intel's "unbalanced" cpu/igp configs, why can't we speak about "unblalnced" AMD configs? AMD did not demonstrated perf of the cpu part of zacate which rises some concern. Reading this thread i got impression that some ppl think that the main purpose of small and thin notebooks is to play 3d games.

Why does this seem to my like the 780G hype all over again...

[ajaidev]

Zacate seems pretty balanced i mean a 500mhz 80 shader gpu with a dual core cpu that can do 90% of Athlon II performance running on 1.6Ghz is good but then the 1Ghz Ontario part with most likely lower GPU speed and performance is a eye sore.

I hope tablets are released with the Zacate avatar and not Ontario because there are things online that 1Ghz dual core Athlon II cant deal with properly. There have been kinda tablets based on CULV's before so its not a far fetched idea, then again Ontario is a 9W part and Zacate a 18W part.

[god_43]

it was ontario that was playing avp right? i thought it was the same as zacate only lower powered?

[flyck]

SB IGP is not a revelation by any means since it will be humillated by the 400-480SP monster that is Llano(and not bottlenecked by low frequency cpu's, 2.5Ghz+ dual/quad setups). They just showed their IGP performance earlier, just that.

At mínimum 2-3 times faster than fully enabled SB IGP.

i know llano will be faster(spec wise at least), but it will also be later by at least a quarter. SB will be the first ondie gpu that will be better than the low standalone graphic cards. (we don't know what anand tested, he isn't sure either. But what he tested was slightly better than the 5450.

edit: the test was done on the Zacate. But we have no clue about the clockspeeds that it was running (some rumours) and we don't know the launchspeeds of ontario or Zacate. They can also trade more gpu for cpu or toy with such settings on the fly. As Anandtech mentionned gpu clock speeds are not written into stone and the drivers were not optimized yet, so there is enough still in the air for us to be suprised at launch (or the reverse ofcourse).

[Nintendork]

Tomorrow I'll do a test with my AII @1.6Ghz and disable 2 cores for the batman run.

Is that scene at the beginning?

[RaV[666]]

There's no reason in differentiation between cpu and gpu when looking at zacate because the cpu part is not replaceable. What is the point in fast gpu if cpu can't handle it?
40% perf advantage over i5-520M is not that great speaking about gpu which is supposed to be in range of HD5450.

That logic is flawed.Because you are comparing a NETBOOK 18W platform, with a desktop GODKNOWSHOWMANY watts platform.
And they`ve put this decent GFX ondie, because thats the thing netbooks lack ATM (besides slow ass in order cpu).
Remember that there are many different loads, many of which require GFX computation power more than CPU ones.
My point is, a multi billion dollar company (AMD) probably knows better what they put and most importantly WHY into their NETBOOK chip.

[MrMojoZ]

Don't know what you are on about but performance of Zacate in its segment which is targeting net-books below 500$ is more than enough and any day better than Atom.

But if you constantly try to compare it to more expensive products you can pretend it has no value. Some folks get a little cranky about brand names.

[duploxxx]

Why does this seem to my like the 780G hype all over again...

as big as the SB GPU hype

[Hornet331]

as big as the SB GPU hype

Actually no, if you look around most people where suprised how it performed, no pre hype no nothing. Most people focused on CPU performance for SB and its still the main focus.

For amds fusion lineup on the other hand everyone had gone nuts about the APU starting back then with the AVP demo. Yet the first numbers we got where released just now and without the screwup on the side of amd we wouldn't even had any B:AA numbers.

Anyway thats not my main point, what I meant with 780G hype was that people only focused on the "superb" IGP performance, but basically that changed nothing on the adoption, despite having 2x or even 3x the performance of a G35 back then.

Gaming gets way to hyped, epsecial for the intented platform.

Imho the most important factor: Power Consumption, Video(HD) acceleration, Webacceleration in that order. Gaming is nice to have but absolutely not neccecary.

[radaja]

i think ive seen this movie,and it was sooo lame.just like what you guys do to every AMD/Intel thread

the 4 AMD gang members are leaning against the wall,when 4 intel gang members walk up the street
"the rumble music starts" the amd gang starts walking towards the intel gang,because they have no right
to be here.as they walk toward them,they lean slightly forward and begin snapping their fingers to the
music,and then the perfectly executed choreography begins,and the comical dance punches are thrown
its going to get ugly,and i dont mean the fighting i mean the ugly ridiculousness of the whole thing.

(switch it around for intel threads)

the snapping, dancing gangsters

always the same guys that ruin these threads for us .thanks

[god_43]

i think ive seen this movie,and it was sooo lame.just like what you guys do to every AMD/Intel thread

the 4 AMD gang members are leaning against the wall,when 4 intel gang members walk up the street
"the rumble music starts" the amd gang starts walking towards the intel gang,because they have no right
to be here.as they walk toward them,they lean slightly forward and begin snapping their fingers to the
music,and then the perfectly executed choreography begins,and the comical dance punches are thrown
its going to get ugly,and i dont mean the fighting i mean the ugly ridiculousness of the whole thing.

(switch it around for intel threads)

the snapping, dancing gangsters

always the same guys that ruin these threads for us .thanks

i have found this thread pleasent compared to earlier threads? i dont think anyone has ruined it? kl0012 made very good points, and his questioning has proved correct. anand and amd realized the error and fixed it with an update. maybe i am missing something here?

[cegras]

No one get mad about, but if we can speak about Intel's "unbalanced" cpu/igp configs, why can't we speak about "unblalnced" AMD configs? AMD did not demonstrated perf of the cpu part of zacate which rises some concern. Reading this thread i got impression that some ppl think that the main purpose of small and thin notebooks is to play 3d games.

If the CPU performs "90% of C2D" then it should be OK. Core 2 set the performance threshold for modern computing, anything less will not be good.

[Enoc]

there are always people that are never going to be satisfied...

AMD should have compared Zacate to any intel CULV Arrandale part (18W)...when AMD would have said 10X the performance on the grafic side...maybe some guys here would have been happy...

But AMD is a decent company...the went with a mainstream 35w Arrandale CPU...

for the size zacate is...and the grafic implemantation and whats doing grafic wise, it's a big plus to AMD , if you can not recognized that...then dear Fan boy..get out of this thread...

when LLano shows up...same story...Sandy Bridge is going to rely on Nvidia type Optimus platform(more power consumption) if it can, to compete with LLano GPU...

AMD APUs are going to change things in the market, especially Ontario...

[RaV[666]]

I dont think anyone verified this, but, Ontario and zacate are basically the same thing arent they ?
Which means, us overclockers could turn low end ontario chip into zacate with a push of a button .
Would be a nice option to have when power isnt the issue.

[duploxxx]

Actually no, if you look around most people where suprised how it performed, no pre hype no nothing. Most people focused on CPU performance for SB and its still the main focus.

For amds fusion lineup on the other hand everyone had gone nuts about the APU starting back then with the AVP demo. Yet the first numbers we got where released just now and without the screwup on the side of amd we wouldn't even had any B:AA numbers.

Anyway thats not my main point, what I meant with 780G hype was that people only focused on the "superb" IGP performance, but basically that changed nothing on the adoption, despite having 2x or even 3x the performance of a G35 back then.

Gaming gets way to hyped, epsecial for the intented platform.

Imho the most important factor: Power Consumption, Video(HD) acceleration, Webacceleration in that order. Gaming is nice to have but absolutely not neccecary.

well at least this platform will be able to deliver this video performance within a low power and low cost design. Intel is already adding/changing SB roadmap to counter this.

And there was nothing wrong with 780 after the initial 690 trial, this was finally a chipset that was able to deliver htpc needs, far far away from what Intel was able to deliver - or lets say not able to provide for just not even aero on an OS level

[Manicdan]

I dont think anyone verified this, but, Ontario and zacate are basically the same thing arent they ?
Which means, us overclockers could turn low end ontario chip into zacate with a push of a button .
Would be a nice option to have when power isnt the issue.

im really hoping that the gpu is super easy to overclock, i know alot of laptops dont have the right bios to do any OCing, but with CCC i hope overdrive is available for everyone

[Nintendork]

I found this about Llano:

・Llano
　４コア版
95W：3.6GHz+480sp(HD5570より上)
60W：3.0GHz+480sp(HD5570位)
45W：2.6GHz+400sp(HD5550位)
　2コア版
75W：3.8GHz+240sp(HD5550位)
65W：3.4GHz+240sp
35W：3.0GHz+160sp(HD5530位)
20W：2.6GHz+160sp

http://white-rabbit50.at.webry.info/...article_1.html

[richierich]

I found this about Llano:



http://white-rabbit50.at.webry.info/...article_1.html

interesting, 3.8GHz?? The highest dual-core now is what, 3.2?

[slaveondope]

4 core 45W：2.6GHz+400sp(HD5550位)

If true 32nm looks to be helping out AMD in a big way thats more than half the tdp of Athlon II 620(4core 2.6ghz)

Following that BD may have some very high clocks.

EDIT: Or is Llano 40nm??

[Nintendork]

interesting, 3.8GHz?? The highest dual-core now is what, 3.2?

Yes, until Q4 when Athlon II X2 270 3.4Ghz 65w appears.

slaveondope
Llano is 32nm being done by GloFo. Ontario and Zacate by TMSC wich I think will have a refresh by Q4 2011 / Q1 2012 using their 28nm process, unless TSMC fail at execution again xD.


It's common knowledge that AMD squeeze more out of their nm shrinks than intel specially for power consumption (x4 955 --> x6 1090T same 45nm, even less power with the same tdp / i7 975 45nm --> i7 980X 32nm).

The 620 95w TDP is just fictional. We also have the 615e 2.5Ghz 45w.

[BrowncoatGR]

I found this about Llano:



http://white-rabbit50.at.webry.info/...article_1.html

If these are base clocks without turbo things will get very interesting shortly with both AMD and Intel seemingly releasing very good products
How reliable is that source?
**Edit The Ontario TDPs and clocks on the same page are different from the ones already announced

[flyck]

I found this about Llano:



http://white-rabbit50.at.webry.info/...article_1.html

If those identifications are correct, the compititor for ULVC is llano and zacate 18W will be more or less obsolete. If this is true for that process, ontario/zacate really need to go to those fabs as soon as possible because TSMC 40nm sucks compared to that 32nm process.

・Llano
　2
20W：2.6GHz+160sp

・Ontario
18W：2.2GHz+80sp(HD5450位)

Edit: the previous numbers of ontario were hokum, these probably also.

[-Boris-]

I found this about Llano:



http://white-rabbit50.at.webry.info/...article_1.html

I really hope that those dualcores are native dualcores with only 240SP physical. That would make them cheap.

But I am confused. Llano seems to beat Phenom II in performance despite built in GPU. Bulldozer must have a considerable performance advantage to be justified. Could mean a very nice 2011.