Intel to show off Sandy Bridge at IDF next week, AMD counters with Zacate demo nearby

[duploxxx]

How will it be interesting both AMD APU CPU's "Zacate and llano" will be crushed beneath the weight of the sandy bridge quads.

so you take over the quotes of RIP fanboys , its all about marketing position and price performance, i am sure some intel fanboys have a hard time to get that.

Zacate is aimed for netbook, low mainstream notebook/desktop etc if SB 4core will have to takle the same range they will have to downclock the SB so hard it can't even breath just like many Laptop parts right now and only fix it with some turbo that is wasted in docking stations due to heat.

[Xoulz]

This presentation had better impress, mightily. Sacrifice virgins, 2/3 of Blizzard's World of Warcraft subscription base if necessary.

i lol'd so hard..^^

[ajaidev]

so you take over the quotes of RIP fanboys , its all about marketing position and price performance, i am sure some intel fanboys have a hard time to get that.

Zacate is aimed for netbook, low mainstream notebook/desktop etc if SB 4core will have to takle the same range they will have to downclock the SB so hard it can't even breath just like many Laptop parts right now and only fix it with some turbo that is wasted in docking stations due to heat.

Exactly the two are meant for different segments but not llano "SB and llano will fight for similar markets", its very obvious that AMD can not compete with SB with llano in terms of cpu performance but llano will be more than capable in the gpu term of things.

Zacate may have a SB based nemesis sooner than you think "Single core SB" but thats all for another day.

In the end llano will have to face off to SB and most likely in terms of price and gaming ability llano will win "lower system costs" for real fight Intel will have to use discreet graphics something on the lines of 5650-5670 "400 shaders" or the new 6 series.

[Mechanical Man]

i hope they do! though i'm not going to hold my breath... i'm just worried about all this fanfare, it seems like tech companies only start blowing thier horn about a product when i sucks. or when apple makes it. look at the P4, phenomI, fermi, hd2000.... lot's of pre-release fanfare, then nothing. now take a look at conroe, g80, athelonI, and hd4000; they simply released the product and it stood out in the market place. i'm not seeing that kind of confidence here.

Well, apple sucks.

AMD fusion will definately be the more balanced performer, think about the scenario you pay for integrated graphics in SB, then notice it is not enough. I would be reluctant to buy discrete card. On otherhan when AMD version gets to the point it does not perform well enough, it most likely is point when both cpu and gpu part are not performing well enough..

[Hornet331]

i hope they do! though i'm not going to hold my breath... i'm just worried about all this fanfare, it seems like tech companies only start blowing thier horn about a product when i sucks. or when apple makes it. look at the P4, phenomI, fermi, hd2000.... lot's of pre-release fanfare, then nothing. now take a look at conroe, g80, athelonI, and hd4000; they simply released the product and it stood out in the market place. i'm not seeing that kind of confidence here.

Conroe got benchmarked leaks 6months+ before launch and intel said it will blow the P4 out of the water... everyone cried fake, bs etc. and we know how this turned out.

[informal]

Well TBH,to blow P4 out of the water was not a hard thing to achieve .P4 was an underwhelming product that got blown out by A64 already.What was amazing though was intel managed to outperform A64 by a decent margin(~15-20%).Conroe proved to be a tough competitor and a good place for intel to base their next designs.

[behrouz]

Hope this Bobcat Kick ass Sandy Bridge!!!!!
Fair Enough. so is it different from Anandtech Preview?

[ajaidev]

Not only is the L2 half speed but ECC which further reduces the speed...

[Tomasis]

better intel buys nvidia

[Dimitriman]

my next high end system will come july 2011 and i will have a budget of 2500 dollars. planning an octo sandy bridge or bulldozer depending on performance and most importantly platform value. i will definately want a couple of 28nm ati or nvidia high end single core as well. somehow im doubtful that ill be able to take octo sandy and xfire/sli in that budget so im more inclined for bulldozer at this moment as long as its less than 15% slower than sandy.

[JumpingJack]

Well TBH,to blow P4 out of the water was not a hard thing to achieve .P4 was an underwhelming product that got blown out by A64 already.What was amazing though was intel managed to outperform A64 by a decent margin(~15-20%).Conroe proved to be a tough competitor and a good place for intel to base their next designs.

Conroe was impressive when compared against P4 desktops, but Conroe lineage was actually from Banias/Dothan/Yohna -- and in those cases, the improvement was healthy but not nearly as impressive, about 20% gains over those cores.

It always confused me why Intel did not work harder to percolate Dothan to the desktop, it was clock for clock an equivalent to K8 and at equal or lower power.

[informal]

Well Conroe's "father" is PIII just like Barcelona's "dad" is K7 . IMO,intel went with P4 since they expected to have continuous and predictable process node improvement pace and was planning using it to scale the clock speeds of P4 sky high while keeping power draw numbers (and leakage) at bay.This plan failed so they used the next (proven) design and improved it further(and further later on).

[onewingedangel]

It always confused me why Intel did not work harder to percolate Dothan to the desktop, it was clock for clock an equivalent to K8 and at equal or lower power.

It was 32bit only, and a lower clockspeed than the p4 - so it would have been a tough sell to the less tech-savy consumer.

Not to mention they had already spent a load of money on the p4 designs. It's not as if they could justify just writing that off - they cancelled Tejas when it become apparent that they needed a change of philosophy, and had the stopgap dual die processors to tide them over when they developed a proper desktop design (core 2).

Also it's worth considering they could sell laptop chips at a higher margin than desktop chips of similar spec.

Made more sense to recoup the development costs by actually selling the p4, which was a commercial if not critical success.

Also, it's worth going back now and testing a HT enabled p4 against an a64 - now that code is better threaded the p4 doesn't compare too badly.

[geo]

anyone else thinks its a bad move by amd. dumb media is now gonna compare sb with zac without bothring abt them being in diff segments

[JumpingJack]

It was 32bit only, and a lower clockspeed than the p4 - so it would have been a tough sell to the less tech-savy consumer.

Not to mention they had already spent a load of money on the p4 designs. It's not as if they could justify just writing that off - they cancelled Tejas when it become apparent that they needed a change of philosophy, and had the stopgap dual die processors to tide them over when they developed a proper desktop design (core 2).

Also it's worth considering they could sell laptop chips at a higher margin than desktop chips of similar spec.

Made more sense to recoup the development costs by actually selling the p4, which was a commercial if not critical success.

Also, it's worth going back now and testing a HT enabled p4 against an a64 - now that code is better threaded the p4 doesn't compare too badly.

I think the money was the thing... Just that the Pentium-M line was such a much better processor than the P4 line.

EDIT: Though you have a small point with 32-bit only, however, it wasn't until well after the life cycle of those products that 64-bit was readily adopted on the desktop -- 64-bit only really moved into mainstream with Windows Vista.

They were lower clocked because they were mobile CPUs and were low clock for power reasons. Only a few sites (i found 3 total, 2 are no longer linkable), really compared the Dothan with a desktop, the site below overclocked some Pentium-M CPUs to more along desktop speed, you get a good idea of where they sat relative to P4 and K8, and even at the higher clocks were lower power consumption. I am still perplexed why Intel did not push it into desktop.
http://www.pcworld.fr/article/pc-des...-audio/100451/

[ajaidev]

Slide sorry had to edit

[smut]

Can't wait, going to be like a kid at a candy store.

[JohnJohn]

Slide sorry had to edit

In your own words, without having to break nda, what does this really mean?, or is just a tricky way to introduce the 10 core Sb info?

Why did you edited so much the pic?

[Lightman]

In your own words, without having to break nda, what does this really mean?, or is just a tricky way to introduce the 10 core Sb info?

Why did you edited so much the pic?

I would say it means that in case of AMD's Bulldozer performing above Intle's expectations they still have room to add at least 2 additional cores to fight it back. In other words this is Intel's plan B.
If that message went to OEM's then it should calm them down that what happened in Intel P4 days will not happen again.

Nice to know that at least now they not underestimating competitor. Things has changed for better at Intel it seems

[smut]

In your own words, without having to break nda, what does this really mean?, or is just a tricky way to introduce the 10 core Sb info?

Why did you edited so much the pic?

I'd assume so the leak isn't traced back to him? Not sure though.

[onewingedangel]

Slide sorry had to edit

"and i thank you for that"
No capital I

"cannot be done till"
Surely 'until' should be used in any professional document.

"3th floor"
really

is that really legit?

[Olivon]

Slide sorry had to edit

Interesting ajaidev ...

Thanks to bring us this slide

[Zed_X]

for publishing this slide, will have publisher lot of troubles, i am sure

[gallag]

That does not look right, Whats the point of the wee line through the Intel logo bottom corner lol.

[Mechanical Man]

That does not look right, Whats the point of the wee line through the Intel logo bottom corner lol.

So that automatic systems cant detect it. It might have been uploaded from intel office/lab/something else, I see no reason why they would not have automatic systems that analyze what is sent offsite.