Nvidia cuts GTX 460 prices?

[saaya]

If you must buy nvidia there is no doubt that two 460 is the best choice out there.

still if you are agnostic like me it would not hurt to wait for november to see what ati brings to the table.

yepp... if your playing any games that just wont run fine on your machine and a 460 would get the job done... id say go for it... worst case, ati has something better for the same or a lower price, but i doubt the difference will be big enough to make you want to upgrade from a 460 to that...

but if your like me, everything runs smooth... why go for a 460 when we all know theres something new around the corner...

Long story short...
The reason why DX11 market share is low, is firstly TSMC 40nm output is low compared to 55nm, meaning they physically can't make enough cards, hence why prices are soo high.

still? i dont know about that... why would tsmc limit their 40nm capacity on purpose? and i find it hard to believe that they STILL havent managed to significantly ramp up wafer output... or maybe they do this on purpose to keep the 40nm wafer prices high and make more money?

GTX460 in March, wouldn't enable Nv to dominate the market either, they would have done better than they are doing as they would have had more cores per wafer and more demand for them so they didn't have to pass up TSMC allocation but it still wouldn't of made a drastic difference, maybe Nv could have had a DX11 market share of around 20%?, but nowhere close to 50/50.

gf104 is only 30% smaller than gf100, so you may be right... and while yields of gf104 are probably much better now than gf100, beyond what youd expect from a 30% smaller die, if they had had gf104 back then, the yields would probably have sucked as well...
so yeah, gf104 would have given them twice the chips out of the wafers, but that wouldnt have made a big difference... your right...

Edit:
Saaya, do you know what Nvidia's margins are like on the 460's?

no idea man... im just speculating...
but gf104 is still pretty big... at 100% yield they are at around 130 per wafer i think, and that would mean around 40$... and thats just the wafer cost...
even with great yield i doubt they are selling gf104 chips for much less than 100$...
50% yields which would be very good for an nvidia gpu on tsmcs 40nm node, would mean a chip cost of around 80$...
and a card costs around 50$ with pcb and memory and pwm and heatsink, if not more... so if they can get gtx460 margins above the single digit zone, they are doing an awesome job...

my guess is nvidias margin per bundle (gpu+mem) is less than 10%, and the margin per card wont be much higher either...

Hmm, I recall someone posting those same percentages a month or so ago (I believe it was that link). Are you referring to June 2010?

what do you mean?

Why is it so hard for people to understand that Quadro is where Nvidia makes its money?

Check out page 25.

Compare with AMD earnings here.

Q2 results:
AMD's graphics division: 440M revs, 33M operating income (profit).
Nvidia's Professional Division (quadro): 215M revs, 85M operating income (profit)

i think i got it now
atis/amds managers still didnt seem to have realized it...
the money theyd have to invest to gain more foothold in the pro segment would return to them within quarters... you cant really lose by going for the pro segment, worst case scenario is that you push prices lower and dont really make that high profits, but they would boost their market share, brand, and hurt nvidias profits...

saaya
Your point fails for this:
People can actually play with DX9 cards. specially 9.0c -low to highend- (if with my IGP any modern game can be played in low, any ultracheapo card than most illiterate people-average Joe- buy should suffice).

at a very low res and med details, sure... but who wants to do that if a 5750 barely costs more than 100$?

Most of the cards in steam survey are just garbage, not your "bang for buck" type of a card. The majority of them will not buy a new card unless what they have decide to die on their own.

what does this have to do with steam hardware surveys? its a very accurate overview of the actual market if you ask me... and yes, most people have crappy hardware and wont spend more than 20$ to upgrade, so? i dont get your point...

I didnt think about that at all whoops.

It was simply because lots of people are still using DX9 / DX10 Nvidia cards, I have no idea how I missed that.

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hey no worries man, no need for self mutilation ^^

As for the gaming market stagnating, I really think that 2011 should change that. There's quite an impressive overload of high quality titles planned to be released next year.

hmmm i hope so... but personally i havent heard of any kick4ss graphic titles...
nothing that will break todays hardware... even crysis2... they said if a rig can handle crysis itll be able to handle crysis2, so... : /