Intel plans to deliberately limit Sandy Bridge overclocking

[HKPolice]

we may only be 3-5% of the market - but to the enthusiast motherboard companies we must be worth more than 3-5% - as someone else said - why would you buy 1 motherboard over another if they are all the same and only let you OC by 3%??!!

Doesn't matter because there are still unlocked K series chips. If anything, mobo manufacturers will just increase the price of enthusiast boards to make up for the lower volume of sales. $400-500 enthusiast boards could become the norm even though LGA2011 only requires a southbridge chip on the mobo.

Expect even more fancy marketing terms

[Hornet331]

Pentium MMX overdrive
Intel Pentium MMX overdrive 180 - PODPMT60X180



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And I can say with 100% certainty that the P133 WAS locked (I've overclocked a few dozen Pentiums).

release date:
P2 -> Mai 1997

Pentium MMX overdrive 180 (since its the only locked one) release date -> August 1997

My statement holds -> P2 was the frist locked intel cpu.

Leme guess most of them where the infamous SY022 with the "broken" multiplier pin?

Doesn't matter because there are still unlocked K series chips. If anything, mobo manufacturers will just increase the price of enthusiast boards to make up for the lower volume of sales. $400-500 enthusiast boards could become the norm even though LGA2011 only requires a southbridge chip on the mobo.

Expect even more fancy marketing terms

Its not like the boards get cheaper to produce... more traces for quadchannel interface, more layer (8), and more traces for the power circuit.

[madcho]

I think the server socket will be quad channel only, but the ship will remain the same.

[Hornet331]

I think the server socket will be quad channel only, but the ship will remain the same.

Not really since quite a few things will change, other MC, more cores, igp gets removed.

If you refer to the basic SB core, yes they stay the same. But the whole chip is quite different form the S1155 version.

[HKPolice]

release date:
P2 -> Mai 1997

Pentium MMX overdrive 180 (since its the only locked one) release date -> August 1997

My statement holds -> P2 was the frist locked intel cpu.

Leme guess most of them where the infamous SY022 with the "broken" multiplier pin?



Its not like the boards get cheaper to produce... more traces for quadchannel interface, more layer (8), and more traces for the power circuit.

The extra traces needed for quad channel is offset by the fewer traces needed because there won't be a QPI to PCIe (north)bridge required anymore. Anyways, more traces does NOT mean a more expensive board to produce, current high end X58 boards are already 8 layered anyways, it's just a matter of putting more traces in the design.

[Drwho?]

There are always people predicting the end of the world every time a new generation of CPU is coming. This is an insult to the creativity of the overclockers world wide, and the creativity of the processor designers, and it was proven 100% wrong in the past ... The OC masters always find a way to turn around the difficult challenges ... Are you one of them (Would make sense if you read this forum), or you are just one crying baby? You choose your camp ... I am in the camps of having fun with a little more difficult part than usual, this is when you see who is the Daddy
(I started overclocking on my ZX81, when I had to unsouder the Quartz to change the frequency ... Just giving you a hint ... )

Take it easy, let's see who is the best of the best ... Beat me if you can

Francois Piednoel.

[M.Beier]

There are always people predicting the end of the world every time a new generation of CPU is coming. This is an insult to the creativity of the overclockers world wide, and the creativity of the processor designers, and it was proven 100% wrong in the past ... The OC masters always find a way to turn around the difficult challenges ... Are you one of them (Would make sense if you read this forum), or you are just one crying baby? You choose your camp ... I am in the camps of having fun with a little more difficult part than usual, this is when you see who is the Daddy
(I started overclocking on my ZX81, when I had to unsouder the Quartz to change the frequency ... Just giving you a hint ... )

Take it easy, let's see who is the best of the best ... Beat me if you can

Francois Piednoel.

I am a crying baby, will you hand me the keys to make it spin faster?

[Iconyu]

There are always people predicting the end of the world every time a new generation of CPU is coming. This is an insult to the creativity of the overclockers world wide, and the creativity of the processor designers, and it was proven 100% wrong in the past ... The OC masters always find a way to turn around the difficult challenges ... Are you one of them (Would make sense if you read this forum), or you are just one crying baby? You choose your camp ... I am in the camps of having fun with a little more difficult part than usual, this is when you see who is the Daddy
(I started overclocking on my ZX81, when I had to unsouder the Quartz to change the frequency ... Just giving you a hint ... )

Take it easy, let's see who is the best of the best ... Beat me if you can

Francois Piednoel.

Oh wow, that is a heavy duty hint. This is going to make overclocking go old skool. Was that door left open deliberately or was it just a oversight?

[cegras]

The whole point of this is that intel is simply trying to remove hidden value that was once accessible through easy overclocking.

[ColonelCain]

There are always people predicting the end of the world every time a new generation of CPU is coming. This is an insult to the creativity of the overclockers world wide, and the creativity of the processor designers, and it was proven 100% wrong in the past ... The OC masters always find a way to turn around the difficult challenges ... Are you one of them (Would make sense if you read this forum), or you are just one crying baby? You choose your camp ... I am in the camps of having fun with a little more difficult part than usual, this is when you see who is the Daddy
(I started overclocking on my ZX81, when I had to unsouder the Quartz to change the frequency ... Just giving you a hint ... )

Take it easy, let's see who is the best of the best ... Beat me if you can

Francois Piednoel.

What you are suggesting (in the literal sense) is not even possible because the clock generator is on the CPU. You know this, so I do not understand what in God's name you're getting at.

[saaya]

I am in the camps of having fun with a little more difficult part than usual

so it WILL be more difficult and intel wont fix the bclock spectrum before the launch?
i actually agree with you though... more challanges = more fun
and even with one arm tied behind its back sb should do "ok" against anything amd will throw at intel in the near future :P
unfortunately... no competition = : /

[Iconyu]

What you are suggesting (in the literal sense) is not even possible because the clock generator is on the CPU. You know this, so I do not understand what in God's name you're getting at.

I imagine he's suggesting that the CPU will accept a clock generated from a external source, not that you literally dismantle the CPU to adjust the clock generator. I can't be sure that's exactly what he meant, but as a Intel employee he wouldn't hint at something physically impossible especially not on this forum.

[saaya]

Its not like the boards get cheaper to produce... more traces for quadchannel interface, more layer (8), and more traces for the power circuit.

i wouldnt be too sure about that...
i dont think boards today cost more than they did back then... since volume plays a major role in this i have a hunch they were more expensive back then...

I imagine he's suggesting that the CPU will accept a clock generated from a external source, not that you literally dismantle the CPU to adjust the clock generator. I can't be sure that's exactly what he meant, but as a Intel employee he wouldn't hint at something physically impossible especially not on this forum.

hes not hinting at anything for sb, hes just saying thats how it used to be, so people shouldnt be too spoiled from all the advances that made overclocking so easy and convenient, and rather embrace a challenge than whine about it... thats how i read it at least

the only problem is that since its all integrated into the cpu, running it out of spec becomes less and less of a challenge and more of an impossibility in some regards :/

[Iconyu]

(I started overclocking on my ZX81, when I had to unsouder the Quartz to change the frequency ... Just giving you a hint ... )

Take it easy, let's see who is the best of the best ... Beat me if you can

Francois Piednoel.

Looks like a hint to me.

[Computurd]

gonna be some good info on this at IDF...you gonna be there francois?

ICPS002 Overclocking Intel® Desktop and Mobile Platforms

this will be the presentation to watch people.a 115 min speech on this very subject! it will be broadcast on 9/14/2010 at 1:05 pm

[saaya]

Looks like a hint to me.

man... if it would be THAT easy, trust me, mainboard makers would have done it already

he means it as a hint of how hardcore overclocking was back then and all the lengths you had to go to overclock... AT ALL...

well, francois, feel free to correct me ^^

[Manicdan]

man... if it would be THAT easy, trust me, mainboard makers would have done it already

he means it as a hint of how hardcore overclocking was back then and all the lengths you had to go to overclock... AT ALL...

well, francois, feel free to correct me ^^

i sure didnt mind the days of shorting pins with copper wire, or pencil voltmodding, but why go backwords at all, when amd currently offers 2x the number of things to tweak.

[BAW264]

Hey guys, I've been a big browser in these forums for a long time(and thanks for the overclocking help) and now I registered when I found in the IDF catalog that there will be a session on overclocking and will have a Preview of Sandy Bridge overclocking

Session Detail
Session Title: Overclocking Intel® Desktop and Mobile Platforms
Length: 115 minutes
Level: Intermediate
Abstract: Intended Audience: Desktop & Notebook OEMs/ODMs/Channel integrators including engineers, marketing, BIOS engineers, technical press, others.

This session provides a description of overclocking platforms based on the Intel® X58 Express Chipset, Intel® P55 Express Chipset and Intel® PM55 (mobile) Chipset based platforms.

Topics covered in this session:
• Overclocking architecture of the Intel® X58 Express Chipset based platforms (including all LGA1366-based Intel® Core™ i7 desktop processors)
• Overclocking architecture of the Intel® P55 Express Chipset based platforms (including all LGA1156-based Intel Core i3, i5 and i7 desktop processors)
• Overclocking architecture of the Intel® PM55 (mobile) Chipset based platforms with Intel Core i7 mobile Extreme Edition processors
• Interaction between overclocking and Intel® Turbo Boost Technology
• Design considerations for maximizing platform overclockability
• Tuning and Overclocking tools
• An example of overclocking using software tools as well as manual changes in BIOS
• A sneak peek of future Intel® Microarchitecture Codename Sandy Bridge based overclocking architecture
Speaker: Dan Ragland Mobile Platform Engineer
Intel Corporation
Michael Moen Senior Hardware Engineer
Intel Corporation

[cegras]

i wouldnt be too sure about that...
i dont think boards today cost more than they did back then... since volume plays a major role in this i have a hunch they were more expensive back then...


hes not hinting at anything for sb, hes just saying thats how it used to be, so people shouldnt be too spoiled from all the advances that made overclocking so easy and convenient, and rather embrace a challenge than whine about it... thats how i read it at least

the only problem is that since its all integrated into the cpu, running it out of spec becomes less and less of a challenge and more of an impossibility in some regards :/

Exactly, why did people overclock in the first place? Even I did pencil mods back in the day, but because we wanted more ... for free. Intel killing the easy overclock is not something I see as being taken away from me, but rather it restoring something to the way it was supposed to be. If you want more performance you pay for more, you can't upgrade your car for free.

[Computurd]

yea baw264 mentioned a few places back...

[Solus Corvus]

Exactly, why did people overclock in the first place? Even I did pencil mods back in the day, but because we wanted more ... for free. Intel killing the easy overclock is not something I see as being taken away from me, but rather it restoring something to the way it was supposed to be. If you want more performance you pay for more, you can't upgrade your car for free.

Wrong. It varies but many vehicles can be upgraded in performance for free. Depending on what type you could drill the jets, flash the eprom, take out extra weight, install a bleed in the wastegate pressure line, take off the mufflers, port and polish the manifolds/heads, etc etc.

I swear, computer people shouldn't delve into car analogies unless they have a clue.

[Drwho?]

Exactly, why did people overclock in the first place? Even I did pencil mods back in the day, but because we wanted more ... for free. Intel killing the easy overclock is not something I see as being taken away from me, but rather it restoring something to the way it was supposed to be. If you want more performance you pay for more, you can't upgrade your car for free.

You are looking for evil where there is no evil ...
Just take it easy, wait and see.

And trust me, If somebody was trying to kill over clocking at Intel, he will be drying in my attic by now ... I am famous at intel to be merci-less if you touch "overclocking". We have a massive group of people dedicated to overclocking lead by Mike Moen, we love overclocking, this is our hobby, our passion.
New architectures with complexity over billions transistors are coming with new challenges, you have the CPU, the Caches, the PCIexpress, the GPU, the mem controler and all of the gadgets on the same dice, to explain it simply, the complexity of this processor is many times the complexity of the space shuttle, those CPUs are part of the greatest human kind archivements , using parts that even nature did not use, in term of size ... more than 700 transistors in the diagonal of a Blood white cell ... So, please take it easy ... we are doing all we can to make the CPUs as fun as we can for you ...

OK? Trust me, there are no plan to kill overclocking, except may be in your imagination.

Francois Piednoel

[Movieman]

You are looking for evil where there is no evil ...
Just take it easy, wait and see.

And trust me, If somebody was trying to kill over clocking at Intel, he will be drying in my attic by now ... I am famous at intel to be merci-less if you touch at overclocking. We have a massive group of people dedicated to overclocking lead my Mike Moen, we love overclocking, this is our hobby, our passion.
New architectures with complexity over billions transistors are coming with new challenges, you have the CPU, the Caches, the PCIexpress, the GPU, the mem controler and all of the gadgets on the same dice, to explain it simply, the complexity of this processor is many times the complexity of the space shuttle, those CPUs are part of the greatest human kind archivements , using parts that even nature did not use, in term of size ... more than 700 transistors in the diagonal of a Blood white cell ... So, please take it easy ... we are doing all we can to make the CPUs as fun as we can for you ...

OK? Trust me, there are no plan to kill overclocking, except may be in your imagination.

Francois Piednoel

Fair enough..

[cegras]

Wrong. It varies but many vehicles can be upgraded in performance for free. Depending on what type you could drill the jets, flash the eprom, take out extra weight, install a bleed in the wastegate pressure line, take off the mufflers, port and polish the manifolds/heads, etc etc.

I swear, computer people shouldn't delve into car analogies unless they have a clue.

Riiiiiiiiiiight, because the number of people who can hit numbers into a BIOS to OC is the same as those who are willing to mechanically delve into their car. The barrier to old style OCing like replacing clock chips by soldering is the same as popping open your hood: screw up and you've got an expensive paperweight.

We've been spoiled by FSB / bclock OC. It's as if you could pop open a hidden instrument panel to unlock extra HP.

@ Dr.Who: thanks for the kind words. I personally don't have a problem if OC is restricted, but it's nice to see you guys still into the 'hidden value'.

[T_M]

Riiiiiiiiiiight, because the number of people who can hit numbers into a BIOS to OC is the same as those who are willing to mechanically delve into their car.

I would say the mechanical delvers far exceed the number of PC owners who would even know what a BIOS is, let alone have opened it.