New rumor about ATI Southern Islands

[jam2k]

[Eastcoasthandle]

What is that graph suppose to mean?

[Jowy Atreides]

What is that graph suppose to mean?

It's supposed to mean people like making stuff up.

GTX490?
485?
6970?

Sure, someone owns all these cards at this point in time..

[Eastcoasthandle]

I honestly don't know what's being implied with such a graph.

[Florinmocanu]

quite simple. If 5750 is 100% performance, than the rest are higher percentage than it. Dunno what is so hard to understand it. If it's the real-deal, that remains to be seen.

[jam2k]

So 6870 is 80% faster than 5870

[Florinmocanu]

no... lol.

5870 = 216%
6870 = 304.2%
These are all related to the 100% 5750 GPU.

It's about 40% difference if you compare 5870 to 6870. According to this suspicious graph. We shall see in 1-2 months

[saaya]

its a nice guesstimate, but its just that... a guesstimate...

[Florinmocanu]

Of course, really stretched guestimate since it has around 9-10 GPUs which are unreleased.

[jaredpace]

So 6870 is 80% faster than 5870

math fail. If part A represents 100%, part B represents 2000%, and part C represents 2050%; then C isn't 50% faster than B, rather only like 2 or 3% faster.

[Eastcoasthandle]

quite simple. If 5750 is 100% performance, than the rest are higher percentage than it. Dunno what is so hard to understand it. If it's the real-deal, that remains to be seen.

I really don't see what's "quite simple" about it. Is that a representation of just game, games and multimedia, etc? Is it suppose to imply a specific group of DX9 and/or DX10 and/or DX11 titles, etc? It leaves a lot to be desired as to what it's implying even though it's nothing more then a guesstimate. My initial thought that prehaps this was an attempt of satire.

In any case, I'm sure some decent leaks will popup lettings us know where the performance of these cards stands sooner rather than later. Also, is a slight rumor that new, revamped (hopefully newly built) cat drivers may accompany the new release.

[Florinmocanu]

Generic performance. General performance. Average performance. Not something specific. Whatever you want to call it.

Just like you would say GTX 480 is around 15% more powerful than a 5870, that's generic because it does not say anything about specific cases, but it's an average.

[Manicdan]

as much as i would love 40% perf boost, my gut says we will see 20% in most games, and in tessellation a much higher jump which i think will make a 6870 about 5-10% faster than a 480

[Loque]

think until next console gen arrives games won't need this crazy performance.. we can already run lazy ports from the xbox360

[kadozer]

think until next console gen arrives games won't need this crazy performance.. we can already run lazy ports from the xbox360

I don't know man, even if that were the case I'd rather have it this way than the other way around. Having games like when Crysis first came out and 8800s being the only things powerful enough to run it was more frustrating.

Hardware should always be there and the game devs should take advantage of it ideally. I'd love to see 5970/GTX 480 sli like performance on a single GPU, then come 28nm and beyond I hope Nvidia/AMD focus more on power efficiency and all the extras like tessellation and geometry over brute fps.

[mindfury]

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...postcount=1564

Some more info here: http://pclab.pl/news43091.html, from "a little unofficial talk with an AMD worker". You can try to google translate it, but I don't think it will work well. It's also written rather vaguely, so I complied the main points for you:

- improved Cypress architecture, all GPU blocks improved (so shaders too?)
- better performance clock for clock, less power consumption.
- The experience in the 40nm process allows for better organization of the die (and save space - that's what I personaly wondered if possible)
- Better yields allow for more complicated structures
- new UVD 3.0 decoder, with full video playback acceleration for Eyefinity, up to 6 monitors. Overall better decoder.
- no problems with samples of chips and cards, not even with the 6970.
- prototypes might be send to AMD partners in the coming weeks
- AMD wants HD6970 on the market before Xmas (obviously!)
- No worries from competetion, they believe Radeons will reign in DX11 generation
- Aggressive pricing planned, as long as enough cards can be produced. (buy one asap before prices go up! )
- First low-end, then middle, then HD6970.
- HD6800 planed for beginning of 2011, could be earlier though.
- no comment on the rumour AMD would be doing a fusion processor for next Xbox.
- lots of optimizm in the AMD camp

That's all. FWIW applies here and as many grains of salt you need.

[mibo]

Dirk Meyer said in front of analysts that the WHOLE graphics card linup will get a refresh THIS YEAR.
So, I do trust him more than a rumor.

[RaZz!]

[...]
- AMD wants HD6970 on the market before Xmas (obviously!)
[...]
- First low-end, then middle, then HD6970.
- HD6800 planed for beginning of 2011, could be earlier though.
[...]

doesn't make much sense?

[madcho]

Dirk Meyer said in front of analysts that the WHOLE graphics card linup will get a refresh THIS YEAR.
So, I do trust him more than a rumor.

Agree Dirk meyer is the best source in AMD

[Florinmocanu]

doesn't make much sense?

How is that?

low-end (65xx) and middle (67xx) + enthusiast (69xx) for 2010. jan-feb 2011 we have high-end (68xx).

Though it would be weird like that. Remains to be seen i guess

[saaya]

doesn't make much sense?

yeah i thought the same thing...
i think they want the whole lineup out before xmas, including 5970 which will come out the last, BUT REAL availability in volume will only be in q1 2011...

[spursindonesia]

All they need is Bart performing @5850 level priced @199 US$ in lots of lots quantity before christmas, combined with Juniper price drop when Bart came out to around 109 US$ for HD 5770 1 GB & 89 US$ for HD 5750 1 GB, also in good quantity, everything else north of Bart can drip until Q1 2011, as long the availability is there & the bench scores rock ! Holiday season sales will be DOMINATED IMHO.

[eric66]

to say the truth amd picked nice season for introducing new line. if everything goes right they again will easily take major piece of christmas sales

[Florinmocanu]

It would be actually funny to see nvidia releasing a 512 core Fermi in november. Well, 1 year late, but still november.

[herderien]

i wonder what is really the interest of such a graph.

eccept creating a buzz on vaporware, or for the website publishing those "assesses" lol they should put " Mrs Yrma has red the palm of an ATI soz...AMD employee and saw that SI is going to be 100% faster than an hypothetical GTX 490"