ATI cannot make working video drivers

[Michowski]

Never once had a problem with ATI drivers in the past 10 or so years. Running 10.7 with crossfire 4890's and no issues. I also can play any games mentioned in this thread without issue.

[dengyong]

Never once had a problem with ATI drivers in the past 10 or so years. Running 10.7 with crossfire 4890's and no issues. I also can play any games mentioned in this thread without issue.

Well that settles it then... everyone else who has a problem is just wrong, cause if it's compatible with your hardware/software combination, it must be compatible with every other system in the world.

All those people with problems are clearly hallucinating or simply lack the intelligence to operate a PC. Maybe complaining about ati drivers is just a passing fad and people are only doing it to be stylish.

[bill_d]

1. Stupid people are easily bored.
2. Attention whores are craving for attention.

Which one of those two you had in mind when you asked me whether I was bored or looking for attention?

You obviously fail to realize that it is not "this problem" (i.e. OpenGL 4.0 tessellation) that got me upset -- it is an evergrowing collection of different problems that numerous ATI card owners are facing after each driver update.



No, what bothers me is that people have accepted mediocre quality and they are allowing that quality to decay further.

We have been letting ATI get away with it while they were the underdog.
Give me one good reason why we should continue to tolerate their incompetence and sloppyness now?




I know people who did, and nothing they reported got fixed so far.

go to the nvidia boards and you will see just as many drver problems

and the more poeple that report a driver problem the more likely to be fixed,so if you don't report it don't bit*h

[Sn0wm@n]

i like the smell of napalm at night... keep on flaming guys its entertaining

[xman01]

go to the nvidia boards and you will see just as many drver problems

and the more poeple that report a driver problem the more likely to be fixed,so if you don't report it don't bit*h

well said
and that's how i ended up with ati.

[Toysoldier]

Well that settles it then... everyone else who has a problem is just wrong, cause if it's compatible with your hardware/software combination, it must be compatible with every other system in the world.

All those people with problems are clearly hallucinating or simply lack the intelligence to operate a PC. Maybe complaining about ati drivers is just a passing fad and people are only doing it to be stylish.

Why on earth are you behaving like this ???
He never said any of the things you think he said, he simply said he never had any problems and instantly you ramble on about all sorts of things.

What's wrong with not having any problems with an ATI's gfx card ?? is it against the law ?? does it offend you in some way ??
If that's the case then I would like to apologize for not having any problems with my ATI gfx card.

[dengyong]

Why on earth are you behaving like this ???
He never said any of the things you think he said, he simply said he never had any problems and instantly you ramble on about all sorts of things.

What's wrong with not having any problems with an ATI's gfx card ?? is it against the law ?? does it offend you in some way ??
If that's the case then I would like to apologize for not having any problems with my ATI gfx card.

You missed the at the end, which made it a humorous ramble, not an angry one.

I think it's funny that threads like this (problem with a popular product) always fill up with people saying "there's not really a problem because I haven't experienced it" or "the other manufacturer has problems too".

I guess I'm just pointing out human nature.

[Blkout]

Well, in my opinion its my duty to report that I have no issues with ATI's products or drivers as mine are serving me well. The reason why threads like this one fill up with people defending ATI is simply because if no one did, anyone that visited this site and run across this thread would be under the impression that ATI is garbage based on a bunch of negative posts with no positive posts to counter them.

If I was looking to buy an ATI product and started doing my research and found threads full of negative posts with no positive posts, I would assume ATI was garbage so I believe people post positively to counter such negativity. I appreciate that because I often do research products before I buy them and I would want to hear both sides of an argument before forming my own opinion.

[dengyong]

Well, in my opinion its my duty to report that I have no issues with ATI's products or drivers as mine are serving me well. The reason why threads like this one fill up with people defending ATI is simply because if no one did, anyone that visited this site and run across this thread would be under the impression that ATI is garbage based on a bunch of negative posts with no positive posts to counter them.

If I was looking to buy an ATI product and started doing my research and found threads full of negative posts with no positive posts, I would assume ATI was garbage so I believe people post positively to counter such negativity. I appreciate that because I often do research products before I buy them and I would want to hear both sides of an argument before forming my own opinion.

I see your point.

[Michowski]

Im just saying ive never had a problem with ati. There were times when I was just starting to get into doing this all myself ive had problems installing drivers, old ones never completly removed and I had conflicts but I attribute that to me being a novice at the time. I can say ive had more failure then success with nvidia but thats just my experience. And yes I saw your smiley so didnt think twice about anything posted lol.

[slaveondope]

No no nooooo, you missed the pun Ten-Four = Affirmitive

Well aware I live in the south and my brothers a trucker

[Ket]

Perhaps I can offer a objective viewpoint on things here. As mst of you will know I've rcently tested a HD5830 and GTX460, so I'm kinda ideally positioned to clear fact from fiction on the driver front.

ATi:

- Crap tessellation performance. This is likely both software and hardware bound problems.
- Neverending general usage bugs such as the multi monitor issues
- CF not working properly in a lot of configurations
- ATi simply removing game profiles if a bug is reported instead of fixing it
- Retarded band-aid fix for monitor flickering in 2D
- Installation problems. (eg: cats 10.3 installed fine with the HD5830, cats 10.4 wouldn't work at all, and the less said about 10.5, 10.6, and 10.7 the better.)

nVidia:

- Vanishing game profiles
- micro-stutter in some games
- BSODs for no reason

Each side has its flaws, but certainly right now ATi are a lot worse. I use a very 1-2-3 configuration to avoid problems with drivers in my systems and ATi are even failing on this level now, its why I switched to nVidia.

[BeepBeep2]

nVidia:

- Vanishing game profiles
- micro-stutter in some games
- BSODs for no reason

I'd been having those since 2006 when 8800 G80's came out...up till Jan 2009 when I bought a 4850 to replace my dying 8800GTS. Since then, with ATI not really many problems (driver crashes get annoying) but one particular one that I hate:

Artifacts, driver wide, in anything GPU accelerated for my 4870X2. Works fine if you reinstall again.

[Michowski]

If you stand back and think about it, isnt it amazing how lets say I have had ati cards my entire computer life and never any issues. I run dual moniters (hdmi to tv) for when I play single player games so my nephews can watch. Crossfire, overclocked, ect. I update my drivers every 2 months or so. Never have a bsod, crashes, errors, lag, studder, artifacts. Nvidia cards ive bought before just werent up to par with there ati equal at the times. On the same note, somebody who is nvidia biased has probly had the exact same luck with there brand that I had with mine and wouldnt run the others card if they gave it to us. Ive also helped fellow clan members and friends online that have near identical setups as me have nothing but problems with ati drivers, or setup issues. For whatever reason, even with rma'd card, latest drivers, pretty much copy my perfectly running system to a T still cant get there card to work like mine, and nobody knows why. How is it that it can work just fine for one person, but the other person have nothing but issues? Why is it that some brands just dont agree with you and make somebody else the happiest person ever?

[PaganII]

Pibkac + ego = bad driver

[Rattle]

I love ATI I really do, I loved the 5850's and 5870's I had a couple of each. I probably have some of the most minimalistic computer usage and habits of everyone here.
I GAME, mostly BC2 and L4D, some bioshock 2 and dirt2 and maybe some mw2 thrown in. I watch movies sometimes and listen to alot of music. I still have loads of issues.

All I am gonna say is look at my sig... ATI DRIVERS SUCK COMPLETELY SUCK, the issues DECREASE with one card but once you go crossfire, F-IT nothing but HEADACHES, SAD TO SAY.

I went 470 SLI and never looked back and never had an issue. Now that i am back on one card I would use a single 5870 again possibly, I am very happy with a single 470 however.

Still incredibly turned off ATI with recent drivers.

[Mungri]

I didnt have any major video problems with my 5770s and 10.6 drivers, however my mouse cursor kept on getting corrupted. I hope that doesnt happen anymore now that I've joined the dark side

- Crap tessellation performance. This is likely both software and hardware bound problems.

This is because ATI only have one tessellation unit per GPU, whereas Nvidia have one per shader cluster. ATIs single unit is more powerful than the Nvidia ones, however Nvidia have more per card, and the better the Nvidia card you get, the more tessellation performance you get, whereas with ATI, every HD 5000 card has the same tessellation performance, and the only way to increase it is with multiple GPUs.

[Blkout]

I love ATI I really do, I loved the 5850's and 5870's I had a couple of each. I probably have some of the most minimalistic computer usage and habits of everyone here.
I GAME, mostly BC2 and L4D, some bioshock 2 and dirt2 and maybe some mw2 thrown in. I watch movies sometimes and listen to alot of music. I still have loads of issues.

All I am gonna say is look at my sig... ATI DRIVERS SUCK COMPLETELY SUCK, the issues DECREASE with one card but once you go crossfire, F-IT nothing but HEADACHES, SAD TO SAY.

I went 470 SLI and never looked back and never had an issue. Now that i am back on one card I would use a single 5870 again possibly, I am very happy with a single 470 however.

Still incredibly turned off ATI with recent drivers.

I've had a 4870x2 and now two 5850's in Crossfire and have had no issues at all. Not sure what problems you were having but my Crossfire setup has been completely hassle free.

[audiofreak]

go to the nvidia boards and you will see just as many drver problems

If I had NVIDIA card and problems with their drivers I would go and post there like I already did before.

and the more poeple that report a driver problem the more likely to be fixed,so if you don't report it don't bit*h

I reported some of them to Terry Makedon personally via email before 10.4 was out. 10.4 fixed DXVA I complained about, but 10.5 and later broke it again, at least for me. Other OpenGL, game, and 2D related issues I reported are still not fixed to the best of my knowledge. Do you still think submitting feedback will help?

What's wrong with not having any problems with an ATI's gfx card ?? is it against the law ?? does it offend you in some way ??

I could ask you the same question just without the underlined word.

Well, in my opinion its my duty to report that I have no issues with ATI's products or drivers as mine are serving me well.

Does ATI pay you to do your "duty" or are you just another keyboard warrior?

The reason why threads like this one fill up with people defending ATI is simply because if no one did, anyone that visited this site and run across this thread would be under the impression that ATI is garbage based on a bunch of negative posts with no positive posts to counter them.

Going by your logic, you and the other "defenders" like you would throw me out of the supermarket if I complained that the clerk didn't ring my purchase correctly, because that never happened to you? That reasoning is flawed.

What you are really doing with your defense is suffocating the thread with the "information" which is useless for those of us who really have some issues -- you are pushing those issues under the carpet and net effect is pure mindless brand defense which in my dictionary translates to fanboy.

If I was looking to buy an ATI product and started doing my research and found threads full of negative posts with no positive posts, I would assume ATI was garbage so I believe people post positively to counter such negativity.

You are free to start another thread titled "ATI can make working video drivers" and post your positive experience there. People doing research will read both threads and decide, and those of us who have problems and who are not interested in your positive experience won't have to read through it and waste time arguing with you, not to mention that we will have more chance of getting the proper attention so that our problems get fixed.

If anything, I am glad that it works fine for you.

[Piotrsama]

I'm using 10.7a Beta.
Played Starcraft 2 and Mirror's Edge with them, no problems at all.

When installing ATI drivers just make sure you do this:
- Uninstall previous drivers.
- Reboot in safe mode.
- Run Driver Sweeper (http://www.guru3d.com/category/driversweeper/) and clean "Ati - Display".
- Reboot in normal mode, and install the newest drivers.

[Frontl1ne]

Jesus, I've run through a myriad of PC configs between my first 4870 system and my current 5870 problem. Never had many problems other than the occassional glitch in games. Same goes for my friends who use ATI.

I'm guessing most of the issue stems with ATi's commitment to release one driver per month, which really doesn't leave a lot of time to thoroughly compatability test their drivers. Also it means there are a lot more driver versions out there and more people will naturally be reporting issues.

[Sentential]

Perhaps I can offer a objective viewpoint on things here. As mst of you will know I've rcently tested a HD5830 and GTX460, so I'm kinda ideally positioned to clear fact from fiction on the driver front.

ATi:

- Crap tessellation performance. This is likely both software and hardware bound problems.
- Neverending general usage bugs such as the multi monitor issues
- CF not working properly in a lot of configurations
- ATi simply removing game profiles if a bug is reported instead of fixing it
- Retarded band-aid fix for monitor flickering in 2D
- Installation problems. (eg: cats 10.3 installed fine with the HD5830, cats 10.4 wouldn't work at all, and the less said about 10.5, 10.6, and 10.7 the better.)

nVidia:

- Vanishing game profiles
- micro-stutter in some games
- BSODs for no reason

Each side has its flaws, but certainly right now ATi are a lot worse. I use a very 1-2-3 configuration to avoid problems with drivers in my systems and ATi are even failing on this level now, its why I switched to nVidia.

Coming from some one with a similar background of purchases I would say this is a completely fair assessment. nVidia is certianly more prone to outright crashes, especially if it gets confused on what card is set for physx and what card is for SLI, that said running an ATi setup is like swatting away a horde of mosquitos with the constant never ending onslaught of bugs.

[Sparky]

Thread title is asking for a flamefest, if you ask me.

I've not really had issues with ATI drivers in particular. Nor nvidia's for that matter, overall. Had a couple glitches on a couple versions but nothing totally broken or horrible or anything...

Sometimes I think driver issues stem from updating every single freakin' month. All it takes is one to not quite uninstall right and you start down the path of screwed up installs. I update mine once every several months. I live by the motto "if it ain't broke, dont' fix it." I'm still running 9.12 drivers, they work fine so why screw around with them?

Oh, and multi-card setups I won't touch with a 10 foot pole. Neither ATI nor nvidia seem to be able to get that working fully 100% so I just stick with the tried and proven powerful single card.

[Baam]

TessMark works fine here with the 10.8 beta drivers.

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=326537

[Mungri]

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Oh, and multi-card setups I won't touch with a 10 foot pole. Neither ATI nor nvidia seem to be able to get that working fully 100% so I just stick with the tried and proven powerful single card.

Ive had 3850 xfire, 4850 xfire, 4870 xfire, 5770 xfire, and now GTX 460 SLI, and they work fully for me. If by 100%, you mean 100% scaling, google some GTX 460 SLI benchmarks.