AMD presents "The Bulldozer Blog"

[hlopek]

JF can not comment on performance before the actual launch of the product. I guess thats clear to everyone besides the top screamers here (or is it just competition fishing for data?).

Real guy aren't afraid of competition only schemers are But then gain every marketing guy must have some scheme to sell out to indians (not pc enough?) wanting these shiny new pearls he's offering

Because only idiots get hyped up over pre-release marketing.

OMG. What kind of bluntness While in fact i agree with your principles, i think you used wrong approach to PR scheming. First you find out what that PR guys are really bubbling about, and does it really works or it's just JHH-type smokescreen (tribute to Jen-Hsun Huang) when delivering carboardware to the market. And only after that throw rocks and cedar wood onto him (well rotten cabbage will do the job also)

My point is simply that the "number", as you say, is virtually meaningless without knowing to what it refers, so there is no point to it in isolation.

Exactly. And that's why better to take these PR bubble talks with a jar of salt, rather then take it for a fact and try to explain to yourself that 50% (of nothing) performance gain (it still nothing for math experts). When these performance numbers would be presented against real product with another real product then we can talk about some performance gains.

You're losing customers over you're refusal to even release some meaningless numbers. Intel's next architecture is set in stone now, they can't change it. About all they could do at this time is release higher clock speed parts on their 22nm process. AMD is in the same situation, although they may be able to make minor tweaks to their silicon between now and the official launch. What could AMD possibly lose right now by releasing some Cinebench or some other benchmark numbers? I'm one of the few on this board who doesn't care about architecture or the design process. I just care about performance.

Excellent punch, some performance numbers (if this BD architecture is really near finish) might help them alot because AM3 offers seamless upgrade (except HT3.1?) and many high-end enthusiastic oriented people might jump on intel bandwagon if Bulldozer is delayed as K10 was.

If they really mean to start volume shipping in 2011/H1, and not to delay it to Q2 (or Q3) in fact, they should have pretty much working batch of "final prototype" and if that have some bugs they should be solved during August (this month) and we could see real performance of highly and extremely long anticipated Bulldozer architecture based on "prototype chip". They need some 4 month or more for every new tweak so if early 2011/H1 is exact date we should see some performance benches now and in early November at latest final product engineering samples of final product that will go onto market.

whos on that cycle?

i got a AM2+ board and its had duel cores, quads, and now hexies. if each one lasts just a year, im on a 3 year cycle for 1 motherboard. that reduces my cost by about 75$ a year compared to your 1.5 year cycle, which means i can spend 75$ more on a cpu, instead of replacing it with a motherboard that offers nothing new.

If you put all in economic terms. Some of us are never seen actual mobo that costs 75$ and that's good enough to be a solution for longer upgrades (over 3yrs). Where i buy, only obsolete nf560/nf720(8200igp)/amd720/amd740 cost that much (and it's well known how much manufacturers reduce costs on that entry level boards) While some boards that offer real upgrade path start at 170USD (equivalent) for some 3rd grade manufacturers or more for better ones like Gigabyte/Asus/MSI. So i'd say you wrong talking about reduced cost. (For server upgrades there's sowhat different story but still they start at 300USD)

Yep you can upgrade and put 95W Phenom X6 when released on some nf560 board but this board is designed to sustain 70W constant load and some (near 95W) CPU will kill it in few month (if it's not brand new, an if endure that long). Some higher quality nf590/570 boards usually didnt have that kind of upgrade path (only nice exception there is Gigabyte and Asrock). NTM those erratas AMD built to kill nV competition on HT2.0 based boards if you upgrade onto "Stars" architecture

So for me that "you dont have to change mobo" mantra doesn't really work in real life, just as it didnt in time of K7s KT266A chipset. And it's usually every 3yrs upgrade with new mobo cause old couldnt be upgraded and it wasnt even sub 100USD part