I do not agree with any of the rules from the first post. Sure, it's so cool, let's only compete with hardware bought from the store and show receips. I mean hell, the people that really matter are the people with tons of money, aren't they??? I mean, you all loved Andre so much because he is a very poor guy with a lot of luck when buying his only CPU...

I am getting more and more tired with all this nonsense going back and forth regarding all this. I think I will stick to writing about hardware pretty soon and forget all about competitions and stuff like that, since it is all getting to stinky for my nose anyway...

All this nonsense started because of two, big, fat god damn reasons: special sample seeding and people with lots of money.

Special samples seeding means all the s**t done with super duper modified cherries from the manufacturers. Be it the CPU's AMD picked from hunderds to show how cool Phenom II really is, be it the A0 Gulftowns that should have NEVER gotten out to the public in the first place, be it the ES 5870SOC with software voltage control that some guys were kind enough to use in a competition, be it Lightning samples used in competitions before beeing available in retail, and so on. Same thing happens outside competitions with super duper picked RAM kits, VGA's and so on, where people get fabulous numbers that somebody else using a lower bin of the same product will never ever get in their life. It amuses me like hell when a see so many people hailing those first rules, when I know very well which one is seeded by which manufacturer. And now you guys say that you want to see bought hardware in competitions? This is a joke, right? What I want to see is hardware available in retail used in competitions. I have no problem with Gulftown ES as long as it is B1 ES and not A0 ES. B1 is available in retail, A0 isn't, therefore A0 should not be used in competitions. Same thing goes for VGA's with special parts on them and so on. Yes, I do not care that it is given to the overclocker by the manufacturer as longs as it is NOT a special batch/design/bin that cannot be found in retail, or it can only be found after testing 50 CPU's, for instance. People work to get these, you know??? Everybody started from nothing, and some people work harder and they get samples. Now what do you want to do? Piss on these people and on their work, just because you cannot get samples? Not fair ladies, not fair at all. This is because of the manufacturers and people using special cherries. Stop that and there is no need for retail, bought hardware and so on.


Then it comes to the problem of the advantage of money if such rules would be inforced.... Why would you, X, have a better chance then me in a competition just because you live in a decent country and I live in the hell's pitt where a GTX480 costs 4 minimum wages??? What makes you better then me? The fact that in your country GTX480 is at most half of your monthly check? This makes the competition fair for everybody? Yeah, right.... I mean, if I cannot afford expensive hardware I work hard to get samples, I suppose working hard in overclocking is not appealing to most and you just want to buy it. Ok, you have the right, but why do you want to fluck people that worked for their hardware? And what do you hope to achieve by this??? Think hard, let's take the example of Andre, since the subject is hot anyway. Imagine Andre would not be seeded by nobody and he would like to win. And there is only bought hardware there. Well, I would have a problem buying an i980X for a competition. A guy in US may have a problem buying..let's say...3 pieces and finding the best one. Andre would have no problem buying 50 retail pieces, with bill, finding the best one, and then killing everybody, with your rules, with bought hardware, with a receip. And he could also binn other 5 CPU's and give them to his friends, so they do not share the CPU. Does that make it better for you fellas???And of course, I said Andre just because everybody made a big fuss about him, but of course anybody with a lot of money can do that. Well, Marc, do you feel wealthy enough to compete with this type of guys? I do not my friend

So, you see, your intentions are very, very good, but applying these rules would only give ENORMOUS headaches to everybody. So why don't we all just have a good fun together, remember why we are doing this, force manufacturers to stop the bs super cherry seeding, try to understand better what is going on, try to force them to listen to overclockers, and feel good doing what we like, without having to swear the first born if we enrty an overclocking competition. Doesn't that sound much better?