Andre Yang - Lifetime Ban

[DarthBeavis]

Fugger why are over-clockers so catty? Almost as bad as CSS players on the gaming side.

[Charles Wirth]

Competition and territory most likely. All sorts of alliances with back stabbing and drama that rivals anything on daytime TV.

[BustaH]

why are over-clockers so catty? Almost as bad as CSS players on the gaming side.

Some of us are Doggy too.

[>HyperlogiK<]

Why the hate? So he might of rigged a few contests that don't matter much to more than a tiny handful of people. The technical overclocking knowledge that the community fosters is something positive and useful - it makes my computer go faster, but I have no time for those who obsess over rankings and LN2.

[Toolius]

Some of us are Doggy too.

that was really funny

[hipro5]

"The one that hasn't done ANYTHING bad/wrong in his whole life and he FULLY lives in decency and honnor, THIS must be the one who will through the FIRST stone on those guys"
Go on......

[systemviper]

statements like this i don't even get,

"The one that hasn't done ANYTHING bad/wrong in his whole life and he FULLY lives in decency and honnor, THIS must be the one who will through the FIRST stone on those guys"
Go on......

=
so if you have done something wrong, aaa hello - we;re all human
that means that we make mistakes and learn from them, at least some of us,.

so we shouldn't get upset or excited or point fingers at some people that were caught "red handed" cheating. We can't want more for our sport, or expect a little more from our champions...

[Sn0wm@n]

Why the hate? So he might of rigged a few contests that don't matter much to more than a tiny handful of people. The technical overclocking knowledge that the community fosters is something positive and useful - it makes my computer go faster, but I have no time for those who obsess over rankings and LN2.

why the hate??? they rigged a contest to win real cash prizes .... but hey your right it aint that bad ..... Oo

integrity matters .....

[SiGfever]

I might be way out of my lane here but we are all human and therefore make mistakes. Some little, some serious, but we are all guilty of some. We have all done things in life that we wish we could "take back" and undo. I am not by any means condoning the cheating that went on and I can not understand their motivation.

When the end of our lives come all we take with us is what we have done in life, some things we are proud of and some we hang our heads. The Egyptians learned that you can not take your personal wealth and possessions with you, only your reputation and deeds. As Hipro5 quoted when Jesus said "let yee who is without sin cast the first stone ...". No one here can fill those shoes so lets drop all the hate talk and turn this into an opportunity to clean up the mess that has become professional competitions.

And as to Vapor, I think it showed a lot of stones to step down for the good of the forum but he did no wrong. When someone says that they "might" do something who do you call, the thought police? By his own admission he went to bed before the cheating occurred so he had no way to stop it. What was he to do call the competition and say "skinnee might cheat" and slander his name before any crime took place? And even though I don't agree with all that he has done on the forum he has earned his Admin title and I respect that. FUGGER would not have put him in such a serious role if he didn't deserve it. So stop all the bashing and let him re-assume his Admin role. just sayin.

[Toolius]

i agree... vapor needs to come back ! he tried his best to stop it and thats what matters
Come back vapor !

[Enoc]

+1 with Hipro5...


i think that this is going to far without knowing all the details...this was a MSI event with FM support...they should be the ones taking the actions...not HWbot or XS...
did andre and the others brake a HWbot rule ? how can they brake a rule of hwbot since this event was not affiliated with Hwbot...
same goes for XS...

i see a lot of people talking about money etc...they have proof that this guys gave money for the results? no...
Most of these guys buy their own sh*t... now no one remembers how Andre goes throught 30+ cpus just to get a gem...from his pocket...
this situation can be looked in a lot of ways...
not defending anyone but until Andre comes forward like the others and all the details are known...is better to close this thread...

Vapor , did his job...he said what he tought...Skinee took the action..., what do people want from vapor? to smack Skinee in the head and handcuff him until the competition ended? mods give us the advice...from there...it's our responsability...vapor is a good Mod and everybody knows it...

all of them requested a result...what people should be asking , for what purpose they requested and if Andre knew what there were going to do with it...
it's not a secret that most top head overclockers share results to compare...not saying this is the case...but he was number 1...but until everything is clear...is better to close the thread and when all the facts are out...take the righ action...
right now is limp bizkit mode..."he said, she said"...trying to take heads out...
it's really sad...

[Origin_Unknown]

+1 with Hipro5...


i think that this is going to far without knowing all the details...this was a MSI event with FM support...they should be the ones taking the actions...not HWbot or XS...

i see what your saying in some ways but if Fugger didn't act then it throws the site into disrepute and makes it look like a site that allows cheating so in the long run, fugger did whats best

[[XC] gomeler]

Some of us are Doggy too.

BURN IT WITH FIRE!

edit: sorry, this thread is now useless and I couldn't find any other constructive way to add except to provide humor.

[Movieman]

statements like this i don't even get,




=
so if you have done something wrong, aaa hello - we;re all human
that means that we make mistakes and learn from them, at least some of us,.

so we shouldn't get upset or excited or point fingers at some people that were caught "red handed" cheating. We can't want more for our sport, or expect a little more from our champions...

Remember George is in Greece and his English is pretty good but not perfect.
I think he was paraphrasing the line from the Bible:
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
IE: Don't be so damned quiok to judge someone else unless you yourself are not guilty of comitting any transgressions.
At least thats my take on it..

[hipro5]

statements like this i don't even get,




=
so if you have done something wrong, aaa hello - we;re all human
that means that we make mistakes and learn from them, at least some of us,.

so we shouldn't get upset or excited or point fingers at some people that were caught "red handed" cheating. We can't want more for our sport, or expect a little more from our champions...

You can do all the above you wrote BUT not judge the others when NOT knowing what's behind the whole sceen.....

What they did was deffinatelly wrong as for me.....
WHY they did it though, it's another story.....
The guys who submitted the scores where wrong by any means.
Andre by providing those scores to them with the same FM licence (for example), didn't he knew that something was going to happen?
So why he did it?
For money?... Heh, heh, heh.....I don't believe it!....Do you?.....

[hipro5]

Remember George is in Greece and his English is pretty good but not perfect.
I think he was paraphrasing the line from the Bible:
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
IE: Don't be so damned quiok to judge someone else unless you yourself are not guilty of comitting any transgressions.
At least thats my take on it..

Clever old furt!....

[Movieman]

+1 with Hipro5...


i think that this is going to far without knowing all the details...this was a MSI event with FM support...they should be the ones taking the actions...not HWbot or XS...
did andre and the others brake a HWbot rule ? how can they brake a rule of hwbot since this event was not affiliated with Hwbot...
same goes for XS...

i see a lot of people talking about money etc...they have proof that this guys gave money for the results? no...
Most of these guys buy their own sh*t... now no one remembers how Andre goes throught 30+ cpus just to get a gem...from his pocket...
this situation can be looked in a lot of ways...
not defending anyone but until Andre comes forward like the others and all the details are known...is better to close this thread...

Vapor , did his job...he said what he tought...Skinee took the action..., what do people want from vapor? to smack Skinee in the head and handcuff him until the competition ended? mods give us the advice...from there...it's our responsability...vapor is a good Mod and everybody knows it...

all of them requested a result...what people should be asking , for what purpose they requested and if Andre knew what there were going to do with it...
it's not a secret that most top head overclockers share results to compare...not saying this is the case...but he was number 1...but until everything is clear...is better to close the thread and when all the facts are out...take the righ action...
right now is limp bizkit mode..."he said, she said"...trying to take heads out...
it's really sad...

I haven't heard any mention of money until this and my gut tells me that money wasn't involved..
Andre has more of that than any 10 of us and more likely any 100..

Clever old furt!....

Hey, I have to earn my keep around here somehow.
Sure isn't with any worlds records!

[ElSel10]

Hey so is Skinee still banned for life? What's the story on him? I have't been keeping up

[Bobsama]

Hey so is Skinee still banned for life? What's the story on him? I have't been keeping up

IIRC Skinnee, Hiwa, KJ, and extremetweaker.de are all receiving 1-year bans from XS. They and Andre and now life-time banned from HWBot (iirc), MoA, and Futuremark's results db.

[ChinStrap]

I think it's funny, anytime we have a situation like this, all the "perfect" people show up... The people who openly admit they would throw their own personal friends under the bus. Vapor did the stand-up thing, expressed his opinion and left the situation.

Vapor should not have been attacked like that.

[systemviper]

You can do all the above you wrote BUT not judge the others when NOT knowing what's behind the whole sceen.....

What they did was deffinatelly wrong as for me.....
WHY they did it though, it's another story.....
The guys who submitted the scores where wrong by any means.
Andre by providing those scores to them with the same FM licence (for example), didn't he knew that something was going to happen?
So why he did it?
For money?... Heh, heh, heh.....I don't believe it!....Do you?.....

my whole point was what does this have to do with a bible quote, if you just said what you just said above instead of quoting the bible then i would have understood...

[hipro5]

my whole point was what does this have to do with a bible quote, if you just said what you just said above instead of quoting the bible then i would have understood...

It's simple.

GO back in time when I was "chasing" OPB for his benches.
READ carefully HOW MUCH HATE was "in the air" in those threads.
Do you happen to know how MANY "enemies" did I had that time?
What happent?
Nothing!
Life goes on and believe me, without much hate it passes easier and smother!....


Point someone, yes
Accuse him, yes.
Crucify him, No....

[massman]

IIRC Skinnee, Hiwa, KJ, and extremetweaker.de are all receiving 1-year bans from XS. They and Andre and now life-time banned from HWBot (iirc), MoA, and Futuremark's results db.

At HWBOT, all parties received a 1Y ban.

The lifetime ban is only for AndreYang on XS.

[CL3P20]

my whole point was what does this have to do with a bible quote, if you just said what you just said above instead of quoting the bible then i would have understood...

People quote what they know obviously..the "good word" has many valid points if you want to relate them to any current situation.

Bottom line = caught-sentenced-serving ... yawn, and lets all move forward. If Im not mistaken there are some recently removed records to be broken again

[cegras]

A hacker was caught in a game, and there was a mixed debate over whether perm bans are necessary or not. My friend said this, and I think it very well applies here:

The reason why rules should be stricter in fictional leagues is because we play this game for fun. People cheat in olympics because there is a lot at stake there and people tend to use any possible solution to win. I do not think that this kind of mindset should be promoted in leagues that exist for pure enterntaiment. None of us get paid for this, so I do not see any reason why I should be going out of my way to win. If you don't want to play fair and have fun, then find another game to play. I think perm ban should be applied to hackers and murphy should be no exception. It might reduce the numbers of players, but it will keep the filth out, besides ,it doesn't happen often, so you don't have to worry about reducing the number of players. It might actually help to have stricter rules, since it will keep people away from hacking.

So the big question is, what's the motivation? What's at stake?

Seems like a lot was.