Andre Yang - Lifetime Ban

[lkiller123]

Better to leave it open and have the discussion in one place until everything is figured out instead of risking a million new flame filled sub-threads.

Ban anyone who sets out the fire. This is getting too out-of-hand. All the comments are really not really for this forum.

[Gautam]

Don;'t think there's much flaming, it's just gone quite off topic and more so doesn't really belong in news anymore. If you guys all want it open, though, I don't really care.

[[XC] Oj101]

from memory 8.900 with a 5.5 C2D?

Can't be, that's easy Mr Beier, I'd like the PM just to know what happened please

[=[PULSAR]=]

at this point...who cares action has been taken and the punishments have been handed out, done deal. Can the OC community move on already with honor/integrity. I just love the art of overclocking(smart man's problem solving) I think a locked version of a hwbot operating system should be released to create a level playing field and everything should be hardware speed based.

[[XC] gomeler]

Don;'t think there's much flaming, it's just gone quite off topic and more so doesn't really belong in news anymore. If you guys all want it open, though, I don't really care.

Agreed. Plus I want to see how long it takes till everyone runs out of breath

[[XC] Oj101]

I understand everyone's point of view on the matter and I feel its best to step down from staff.

Vapor did his part, anyone who has spoken with him will know he's a really great guy. This is terrible

Vapor, I hope to see you back up there one day buddy!

[Gautam]

Agreed. Plus I want to see how long it takes till everyone runs out of breath

These news section posters have some pretty crazy stamina when it comes to this sorta thing, wouldn't sell em short there plus we got both massman and M.Beier...this could go on forever.

[[XC] gomeler]

These news section posters have some pretty crazy stamina when it comes to this sorta thing, wouldn't sell em short there plus we got both massman and M.Beier...this could go on forever.

A friendly wager on how fast this thread will grow?

I am not above bringing 4Chan here in order to win

[SamHughe]

What is up with all this flame here? I don't even understand the point of the thread, is it just to talk about moral issues, or just about cursing and spittin at all those cheaters?

Close this thread.

I, for one, am happy to see among all these cursing and spitting there is also a healthy discourse about ethics and future strategies. So let's hope something positive will come out of this mess.

[alucasa]

These news section posters have some pretty crazy stamina when it comes to this sorta thing,

You said it right.

[Buckeye]

Come back Vapor!

100% Agree

[BeepBeep2]

As far as we know, Vapor said "What if, what if, what if"...and went to bed.

He did not say "do not turn those scores in."

If you go rob a bank and I say "what if you get cought, what if you get arrested, what if you dont get what you want" do you really think it will stop you?

I didn't see Vapor say that at all.
What I did see him say and I'm paraphrasing,is that he gave Skinnee his feelings on the matter and went to bed.
What Skinnnee did either good or bad from there on is on Skinnee and no one else IMHO

Depends on how you read it I guess:

I gave my opinion on the "what ifs" with doing this then went to sleep in another room some 45 minutes before skinnee uploaded the score and made it public.

Woke up the next morning and found out multiple scores were under investigation

[Gautam]

Like it's so basic that you can't make any other move than L-shape with the horse in chess. It's SO basic that you don't agree this beforehand, because you assume your opponent is aware of this.

Yeah but what you're forgetting is that the chessboard looks like this once Fugger's done with it:

[eXa]

This is why i dont really like sports.... at all

And excuse my french.... but i think your all idiots for coming down on Vapor.
He did nothing wrong.

[The Duke]

I find the whole thing humorous ... hopefully he made some good money

[Serra]

@Serra:

basic I mean: it's for everyone very logical that it's not okay to do this because it's considered illegal all around the world. No one thinks about doing it, because it's illegal.

Like it's so basic that you can't make any other move than L-shape with the horse in chess. It's SO basic that you don't agree this beforehand, because you assume your opponent is aware of this.

Actually, your last post doesn't make any sense to me any more. It looks like you're confusing a lot of topics.

Ah, I thought you had meant it was just a low-level easy tweak and that top competitors just didn't do it because it was too easy (obviously I'm not a top-level overclocker). That sounded really weird to me and was the basis of what I was getting about, though I agree that I was a bit scattershot with it.

Even so I think I could go on with the debate, but I think it's a matter for another thread or PM.

[Dahmer]

@ Vapor

You're not allowed to step down!
*puts his foot down*

[endlesszeal]

here is my take on Vapor's situation: 1) he didnt force or agree with Skinnee on posting the scores. 2) it wasnt there when Skinnee posted the scores. so I see no guilt or a reason to hang him.

here are similar scenarios: you and your sibling walk into a candy store. your sibling talks about stealing a candy bar and you gave your opinion. then you walk into the shop and split up to browse separately. you come back and walk out together and he/she gets caught for stealing. should u be punished? or what if he/she doesnt get caught, are you gonna rat the person out?

I say no to both questions because you werent there and you dont for sure or see him/she steal anything. and i wouldnt snitch because im not a snitch, but i wouldnt trust or agree to be with someone like that if he/she continues to be like that.

another scenario: you and your friends go out to a bar. one of your friend gets blasted and starts a fight when youre not there. are you gonna a) back him up or b) walk away because he started it? and dont say "break it up or talk it out" because when everyone is drunk, its either fight or walk away. in this case, i would a) and never go to the bar again with the same person if he is a habitual fight starter.

anyway, as someone mentioned, we're not responsible or should police anyone on their actions; its not murder.

[Cleatus]

Yes...I think that time is coming soon.

People make their own choices, some good some bad but regardless they have to be held accountable for their actions it’s what separates us from the animals. I'm sure if it was a no name guy he would be shot on site for such crimes, because it’s one of XS very own everyone tries to derail the issue. He was a part of it, there is no debate on this, the man was in the same house and knew exactly what was going on. I think teenagers use the "I was asleep" defence not adults. Andre did the least and suffers the harshest punishment. Vapor should have stopped the score from being submitted, its called the delete key. Vapor should be banned and lose all XS admin rights he was knee deep in the mess just as much as anyone else. But he won’t, post will be deleted, people will be banned for posts that any admin doesn’t like. Top level benchers will be able to speak their minds without fear of the ban hammer but guys like myself will definitely get banned if they hit a nerve so I will have to tread lightly.
Take a new bencher working hard to gain some respect within the community... working hard to gain knowledge and make a name for him/herself maybe enter a contest and see how it goes...but wait there are some heads with corp sponsors cheating and little is done about it. It taints the sites reputation and the contests they promote. I know my opinion means nothing to you or anyone else for that matter because I'm a little guy with no points or corp sponsors in my back pocket. Lots of double standards going on here and makes it hard for the little guy to even want to try and compete when your game is over before you get a chance to play. How do you stand a chance when there are two rule books?. Its hard enough to compete against the sponsors offering cherry picked chips, boards and gpu's now you have people who damn well know better cheating and the majority is giving a thumbs up. Now the fire wont die out and the remedy is to close the thread, not the best way to handle this imo

[Gautam]

Your opinion is noted. And I don't want to quell any flames or anything, just that things are running OT. But plenty have aleady voiced to leave it open, so open it'll remain.

[Sadasius]

Wow a lot of opinions that differ. It is what I like about XS. You don't always have to agree because if we all did then what kind of crap box would this place be. Nice to see so much passion from some people in the moral beliefs. I vote too to keep this thread open as I am sure it is great for people to vent and share alike.

[Charles Wirth]

In Vapors defense,

I knew about Andre offering files before the contest was over. I knew that he offered files to several (not just 1) people and I did not send anyone a warning what to do. There was no way for me to prove or even worry about hearsay even when the source is good without everyone stepping forward that this problem existed.

Vapor was not competing for position in MOA.

Now for Xfastest, Kevin ak KJ. He was the last entry removed.

Everyone just forced Eric to quit, bravo guys.

Closed thread for a moment to catch up a sec (no cleanup)

[charlie]

My 2 cents:

Damn bad luck for Andre cause none told him you can get away with bending the rules. Oh wait, that only applies to certain folks. Double standard much? Its truly sickening how folks change their values when 'someone else' messed up.

apple meet orange.

[zanzabar]

i dont see why people would want vapor to step down, he cannot hold evey1s hand, and he did not try to cover it up.

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