AMD Tapes Out First "Bulldozer" Microprocessors.

[Nintendork]

Great...

AMD definitely needs another silver bullet like Athlon 64 and Athlon 64 X2. We need competition in this industry for the sake of competition.

It also need some additinal punishments in the intel's side for the still mafia practices (they don't learn they lesson).

[Sn0wm@n]

maybe amd could add a dildo device into the cpu ... this way they could really mess up intel ....


this comment was made for the lulz obviously

[Solus Corvus]

Wow, way to raise the quality of the discussion guys.

[god_43]

Wow, way to raise the quality of the discussion guys.

lol i was like "wtf??". Corvus is right...: (. i am hesitant to talk about the arch (things usually go south from there), but am i the only one excited about CMT and what it might offer? the way i understand it is that - it is like smt only; it is a hardware based solution versus intels software solution (smt).

[richierich]

AMD's facing their biggest challenge yet. They cannot mess up BD's release, or else they may never be able to catch up. It's going to be an endless cycle.

[Solus Corvus]

lol i was like "wtf??". Corvus is right...: (. i am hesitant to talk about the arch (things usually go south from there), but am i the only one excited about CMT and what it might offer? the way i understand it is that - it is like smt only; it is a hardware based solution versus intels software solution (smt).

No, they are both hardware based. Just different approaches to running multiple threads on one core.

[EvilOne]

Bet the mod's gonna be happy when this thing is finally released lol. Unless the results are controversial of cause

[Johnny87au]

AMD's facing their biggest challenge yet. They cannot mess up BD's release, or else they may never be able to catch up. It's going to be an endless cycle.

Their one and only chance to rejoin the competition

[FischOderAal]

Bet the mod's gonna be happy when this thing is finally released lol. Unless the results are controversial of cause

When BD is released, ppl will find a different yet to be released product to argue about...

[Hornet331]

also, it doesn't help that intel's compiler is the most popular among software engineers...

Which is a none issue since the most popular compiler is the MSC...

[chew*]

sampling soon :O wow .... bring on the benchies cant wait for that day

sampling = NDA

Of which i imagine they will keep a short leash on this time around.

[JF-AMD]

+1

but i fear that the delays have cost AMD the performance advantage, when it takes several extra years to complete your design that can add a lot of extra cost without necessarily improving the products performance.

also, it doesn't help that intel's compiler is the most popular among software engineers...

The delay is a manufacturing delay, not a design delay. And as Dirk said in the call, Bulldozer is still on track.

[JF-AMD]

No, they are both hardware based. Just different approaches to running multiple threads on one core.

We don't run multiple threads on one core. It is one thread per core.

[LightSpeed]

The delay is a manufacturing delay, not a design delay. And as Dirk said in the call, Bulldozer is still on track.

What is up with the 32nm manufacturing? I understand that Bulldozer is complete but these manufacturing delays would affect both Llano and bulldozer...

[Chumbucket843]

also, it doesn't help that intel's compiler is the most popular among software engineers...

intel's compiler is not popular. MS and GCC are by far more used.

What is up with the 32nm manufacturing? I understand that Bulldozer is complete but these manufacturing delays would affect both Llano and bulldozer...

that's not going to be public information.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost...99&postcount=3
these wont necessarily affect bulldozer because they should be fixed by then.

We don't run multiple threads on one core. It is one thread per core.

this is one logical core. it can run two threads.

[blindbox]

intel's compiler is not popular. MS and GCC are by far more used.

that's not going to be public information.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost...99&postcount=3
these wont necessarily affect bulldozer because they should be fixed by then.


this is one logical core. it can run two threads.

JF-AMD cleared this out a long time ago mate. 2 cores in one module. That's a module there, and 2 cores in it. And a bunch of stuff shared between two cores.

[Mechromancer]

^That is not a core, it is a module. Orochi will have four of those for the desktop chips. Server chips will have up to eight. AMD would have to try really hard to screw up the throughput performance of a module with those kind of specs. As long as AMD can actually manufacture it on 32nm, I don't think anybody has to worry about AMD.

EDIT: DAMMIT! blindbox beat me to it. This post was meant as a reply to Chumbucket843.

[freeloader]

I agree that we shouldn't fight. But why on earth would we want to speculate about a product after it's out?

Touche!

[freeloader]

The delay is a manufacturing delay, not a design delay. And as Dirk said in the call, Bulldozer is still on track.

Well let's hope that GF gets it's problems figured out quickly and doesn't end up like TSMC on 40nm.

[pokipoki]

Which product will be released first? Interlagos or Zambezi?

[Chumbucket843]

in AMD terminology maybe which i dont use. a "module" is a core. a "core" as far as i can tell consists of a datapath and maybe cache and control logic.

a core must be able to do all of these tasks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU#Operation
an AMD "core" cant fetch or decode instructions. it is just the execution stages.

[JF-AMD]

What is up with the 32nm manufacturing? I understand that Bulldozer is complete but these manufacturing delays would affect both Llano and bulldozer...

Obviously I am not going to comment on that.

Dirk said bulldozer was still on track, so your understanding that it is delayed is not correct.

[JF-AMD]

in AMD terminology maybe which i dont use. a "module" is a core. a "core" as far as i can tell consists of a datapath and maybe cache and control logic.

a core must be able to do all of these tasks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU#Operation
an AMD "core" cant fetch or decode instructions. it is just the execution stages.

When the system boots, it sees 8 (valencia) or 16 (Interlagos) cores. When the OS loads, it sees the same number of cores. Apps see the same number of cores.

Throughout history there have been a variety of shared components, from memory controllers to caches and even more.

You can use "your" own definition, but you are in the minority. The rest of the world understands what a core is.

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

Between 1356 & bulldozer, I'm not sure which I'll move to. I've been with AMD since q6600 (moved to P2 945 and athlon x3) and will be going back to intel for 1156. Lets hope whoever wins out here wins big or simply equal w/ AMD being a LOT cheaper.

Do you guys think we'll see bulldozer between Q1 and Q2 of next year? I don't want to wait more than a year!

[FlanK3r]

yes, i think (my meaning), launch will at Q2 2011