Quote Originally Posted by savantu View Post
Huh ? If the latest roadmap is always the reference point, please explain how a project can be late ?

What kind of cognitive reasoning is this ?
The current target is 2011. So when we are talking right now about the product being on track we are talking about in reference to the current target.

Your "but what if it changes" objection is irrelevant to the CURRENT discussion. Of course it could change in the future, and if it does then BD would be late in reference to the date in the current discussion and on track in reference to the future target. But since we don't know if it will be rescheduled in the future the most logical use of the term on target is in relation to the most current estimates and not on old estimates or future hypotheticals.

By your logic any company that has to reschedule a project can never be on target again. As if companies can't decide on more realistic targets when the real world doesn't cooperate.

Quote Originally Posted by savantu View Post
Regardless of what's being discussed, from a simple philosophical and logical point of view, if it ends as he originally predicted "for years" and that is not objective, than what the hell is objective?
It means the guy is either the new Nostradamus or he used his critical thinking and not relied on faith.
This is a false dichotomy. A person could easily could easily take something on faith and end up being right without having come to that conclusion through logic or magical powers. My team is so great I'm sure they will win. When they do it's proof that I was right all along regardless of how it happened and when they don't it's an exception. Sound like any sports fans you know?

I don't think he rejected anything. Just that the uarch rework done in 2007-2009 means they originally aimed too low and now the process blips introduce a feeling of uncertainty whether the original plans for a mid 2011 launch are still valid.
What "mid" 2011 plans? Last I heard it was all of 2011 so it could be Q1 through Q4 and not be late in reference to the current timetable. That encompasses both my estimate and his (except the 2012 part), but he has yet to acknowledge that. Neither have you.

As for what he has rejected, he can speak for himself. All we have so far seems like a rejection of the possibility, though he's free to say otherwise.
If I had to guess, I'd say BD will be lucky to make late Q3 on the desktop, and will be Q4, (if not H1 2012) for server products, due to the extra validation required.
You guys should just come out and move BD to "H2 2011" at this point, at least, obviously "H1 2011" ain't happening.
BD isn't going to ship in Q2 2011.