**Need advice on Watercooling my Lian Li V2100B* Similar to Vadim Gaming PC's!!**

[blazarcher]

As for 140mm fans .. i stayed at downvolted NB PK-3 fans. Of course, those ain't no GTs , but i better take their hidrodynamic bearing, then yateloon 140mm fans with sleeve bearing (i'm gonna mount my 560sr1 horizontally after all)

How are the NB PK-3's working out for you? I've been comtemplating whether I should be going with the PK 2's max @ 1200rpm or the PK 3's max @ 1800rpm. Been curious about noise as well because I want these for silence more than for performance.

I see you've got a SR1 560! - What's it like having the current best performance radiator?

[Church]

I'm using PK3 downvolted @ 1000rpm. Their maximum range is just extra, if i'll ever need more performance eg. in hotter summer days or adding more waterblocks to loop without adding more rads
As for current absolute best cooling single rad, it most probably be MoRa3, but i don't know of cases where it can be mounted internally

[blazarcher]

I'm using PK3 downvolted @ 1000rpm. Their maximum range is just extra, if i'll ever need more performance eg. in hotter summer days or adding more waterblocks to loop without adding more rads
As for current absolute best cooling single rad, it most probably be MoRa3, but i don't know of cases where it can be mounted internally

lol if you could call the Mora 3 a radiator, that thing is a BEAST.

[blazarcher]

It's been awhile hasn't it? Waiting on a few components still. Anyways, I've decided on the EK-FC480 GTX and the BP X58 Classified waterblocks.

Here is a ROUGH sketch of how I want the Dual Loops to look like.




Black - GPU Loop
Blue - CPU Loop

*NOTE* There are 2 circles that I have deliberate made to show where I'll have Bitspower Black Sparkle "T" Fittings installed to reduce loop clutter.

**NOTE** The 2 GPU's are connected with Koolance Dual VID Connector, Adjustable 3-4 Slot Spacing.

The pumps will be mounted in the bottom of the case with (UN)Designs Infinite Pump Brackets (for DDC pumps) - Vertical Version - Black.

[blazarcher]

On another note, what thermal paste should I use for the GPU's? I was thinking some Shin-etsu but I hear it has a very high viscosity. In this case would I be better off with AS5 or even MX-3?

[blazarcher]

359 dollars worth of pumps!!

I'll be using Dual DDC 3.25's for each loop for maximum performance. But paying almost 400 dollars for pumps alone seems a bit too much. Are there any recommendations for what other pump I should use? Preferably something a bit more cheaper (and quieter). I'll have all "4" pumps mounted on some foam so noise will PROBABLY be a non-issue.

[blazarcher]

bump

[blazarcher]

QUICK UPDATE

Removed the RX120, honestly a 120mm radiator with no fan is NOTHING compared to a SR1 560. Removing it from the loop shouldn't make much of a difference.

What do you guys think?

[blazarcher]

Apparently Waterlogged isn't accepting PMs lol. Here's what he had to say about the GT's vs NB's.

Hey man, just been around the forums and noticed how you are not inclined on persuading people to go for Noiseblocker fans. If I recall correctly you called them overly expensive and state that they don't have enough static pressure to move air through something like a radiator.

For my build, which is being pushed back to June, I need to get 8 140mm fans to push through 2x 60mm thick HW Labs SR1 560's. But seeing as you don't recommend Noiseblocker, would it STILL be alright to go with the Noiseblocker NB-BlackSilentPro PK-2 140mm fans?

I heard that the Sharkoon 140mm fans are pretty good and need a recommendation on which fan I should go with if I want SILENCE AND a lil' bit of performance.

I'll be using an mCubed controller to control the fans and would like to have the ability to turn the fans down for silence, so PWM fans are out of the question because I heard they usually have a LOUD "motor" noise resonating from the fan @ low rpms, and when benching, I'd like to turn the fans up for performance. However I mainly want a fan that is QUIET and will probably run at around 800-1200rpm.

I think you answered your own question.

As for SR1's, read this

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...03#post4403103

I know your looking at the 140mm versions but my thoughts still ring true. Over priced, under performing. Go with that $166 recommendation and some 1850 GT's and call it a day.

*Sigh, I guess I'll be going GT's xD Better than the PK2's which can only spin up till 1200. The PK3's aren't available ANYWHERE! Thanks alot man, I've just saved 40 dollars lol. BTW, check out my thread, I've changed a few things hopefully for the better. Though the cost is still up there, I hope it's to your liking. If you have anymore helpful advice, let me know xD

P.S. I think you won't be to happy about my Pump setup =)

EDIT

Just came across some 120mm roundups, found something very interesting.

Take a look at the GT's (-15) and the NB MF12-S3HS.





Just looking at 1000 rpm, look at the CFM.

The NB's and GT's have similar DBA but the NB seem to have more CFM at the same rpm. NOTE that the reviewer states that the GT's optimal rpm is 1440 while the NB's are only 1000, does that make any sense? - Anyways, doesn't more CFM equal more static pressure? Assuming it does, shouldn't the NB's be better in terms of rad use.

There was another roundup I saw, can't seem to find it. But it was concerning radiators. So all the fans were tested with rads. The GT's came on top.

These 2 difference sources have different opinions of the NB's. One state them having higher CFM, the other says that the GT's have higher static pressure. Does that mean CFM does not equal static pressure?

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Although these are reviews of the 120mm models, both companies probably created the 140mm fans around the same concept so assuming the GT's or NB's are better, they should ALSO be better in terms of the 140mm versions.

Sorry to confuse things a bit, I still think I'll probably be going with GT's but the NB's don't seem bad at all, though they are WAY too overpriced. =)

Then again.... Looking at the DBA, the GT's seem the way to go. I mean just look! @ 1850, the GT is only producing 38 DBA while the NB produces the same noise at ONLY 1400! Waterlogged is definitely a person to listen to lol, I can't believe I didn't see that!

[blazarcher]

So yeah, looking at the last post, I think I'll be going GT's from here on out. Gonna have to buy from elsewhere so I won't really be saving any money.

[Vapor]

Dual DDC3.1s in each loop will save some money and be quieter...and perf drop shouldn't be appreciable from 2xDDC3.25s.

As for radiators....I think you have too many (no sarcasm)

[blazarcher]

Dual DDC3.1s in each loop will save some money and be quieter...and perf drop shouldn't be appreciable from 2xDDC3.25s.

As for radiators....I think you have too many (no sarcasm)

Yeah my plan was actually to get some 3.1's. They would definitely be quieter.

A SR1 560 per loop is too much? That's ONE radiator xD

[Church]

blazarcher: make it MoRa3 per loop. That's also one single rad. In push-pull single rad with 18 fans
As for GTs vs NBs, yeah, first one wins. As for 140mm versions .. well, judging by responses i've got by mail from both Scythe & Nidec Servo (actual makers of GTs) there are no planned 140mm GT. So it's rather choice between Yate Loon D14 vs NB PK3 (btw, i've seen it several european shops, maybe because vendor is im Deutchland? ). If we keep on extrapolating 120mm version performance to 140mm, probably both perform same, but Yate Loons are 2.5 times cheaper . And probably no 140mm GT in nearest 2 years, so if one has to buy fans for LC build now, no need to wait.

[blazarcher]

blazarcher: make it MoRa3 per loop. That's also one single rad. In push-pull single rad with 18 fans
As for GTs vs NBs, yeah, first one wins. As for 140mm versions .. well, judging by responses i've got by mail from both Scythe & Nidec Servo (actual makers of GTs) there are no planned 140mm GT. So it's rather choice between Yate Loon D14 vs NB PK3 (btw, i've seen it several european shops, maybe because vendor is im Deutchland? ). If we keep on extrapolating 120mm version performance to 140mm, probably both perform same, but Yate Loons are 2.5 times cheaper . And probably no 140mm GT in nearest 2 years, so if one has to buy fans for LC build now, no need to wait.

Cool, lol I was actually thinking about the Yate Loons as I wrote that post. About the Mora... I want to keep this as an all internal loop. I don't like the idea of having radiators sticking out the back or tubing (prone to leaking) outside.

Right now I think 2 SR1 560's are the way to go for a fully internal watercooling loop. BTW, I'm actually getting the Mora 2/3 for my Lian Li A05N build. But right now, like I said, I'm gonna stick with the 560's.

Thanks a lot for the advice! You've saved me over a hundred dollars, them NB's are EXPENSIVE.

[blazarcher]

Although a bit plain compared to these (NB's),

I think I'll be going with the Yate Loon 140mm High Speed Silent Case Fan - D14SH-12's. At a max RPM of 2000, they should give me plenty headroom when I'm benching. Hopefully motor noise won't be a problem.

Here is a pic of the Yate Loons, I should definitely do something about the look. Maybe paint them a glossy black.



Yeah, very reminiscent of my Lian Li stock fans lol.

[blazarcher]

I've had a change of heart. Going with the NB's =)

PK3's are now in stock and I have been doing a lot of reading on the Yate Loons and am hearing mixed reviews. Many are basically saying, "you get what you pay for". Yate Loons are CHEAP and I also hear that they are really loud if not undervolted, and although they will be undervolted, there is still a chance of other noises due to poor build quality. Again, I'm not familiar with Yate Loons so don't take what I say to heart, I will from now on be going with the NB PK3's unless anyone has anything to bring forth.

Seriously, Paying 84 dollars > 200 seems good but if the Yate Loons are not quiet, then there really isn't any point in buying them.

Not to mention, the NB's are bundled with lots of stuff. They even include some Anti-Vibration Silicon Pads! Don't really know how good they are, but it's nice to see them include it. Although paying 25 dollars for a fan, it's to be expected.

[Vapor]

A SR1 560 per loop is too much? That's ONE radiator xD

My bad, the latest I saw was with the stack and like 3 radiators in the case getting no airflow.

If you can use dual 560s, by all means go for it

[blazarcher]

My bad, the latest I saw was with the stack and like 3 radiators in the case getting no airflow.

If you can use dual 560s, by all means go for it

No worries, that whole 3 rads was doomed to fail haha. Yeah, gonna stick with 2 560's. One SR1 for each loop.

[blazarcher]

-GPU Update-

Apparently the GTX 485 is in the works. And it's better in every way. Not only is it gonna run cooler and quieter (if you aren't watercooling) but it's running at a much faster clock. Kind of like how the GTX 285 is to the 280.

So yeah, gonna stick with my old faithful GTX 260's for just a lil' longer.

Here's the source:

http://www.kitguru.net/components/gr...y-in-the-sack/

Take it for whatever it's worth.

[-TYPHOON-]

Are u spamming or what....

[blazarcher]

Are u spamming or what....

lol I'm not really treating this as a thread. I mean I use it to just clear my head with all my thoughts. Stuff like watercooling setup and just thoughts around the build, all that goes into this thread.

Am I spamming?

[blazarcher]

Great news!

Saved almost 600 dollars with a few tweaks

Going with the Yate Loon's, @57 dollars w/ chrome screws at PTS, they are a steal. Not to mention YL's should only be bought from PetrasTechShop, they are the only official retailers of Yate Loon fans.

Also couldn't find anyone that sold DDC 3.1's /mcp350's but apparently newegg had them xD

So pump cost went from 350->200
Fan's went from 200->57

There are a few others things that aren't worth mentioning.

Also, going to get the side panels sometime next week. Should finally get this build going. Least all this planning did mean something. I mean just look at how I have progressed from page 1!!!!

Now with SR1 560's, I should be getting amazing temps with them Yate Loons. Now just to get a window on that panel...

[avddreamr]

Wow, dude....
*laughs*. At least you are learning. I'm curious as to where you'll be in another 3 months.
Start reading up on airflow restriction and heat transfer losses.