[S/A]How Nvidia blacklists sites like Hardware Secrets

[FoldingFanatic]

As I staed earlier I am a fan boy of what product is best for the task at hand. I have several folding farms and like it or not ATI lack horsepower in this dept so I use Nvidia GPUs, because the price per performance is there. But my new gaming rig is going to be 5970's in crossfire X.

But as to charlie go back through his articles and you will certainly see that he is biased against nvidia. I am not saying that theres no truth to his articles, but his information has proved unreliable and openly biased in the past. So therefore he gets treated like any know liar and gets ignored by me.

Like I stated I resigned my position because a company I will not name gave me a list of hardware I was able to test theres against. If i had done the testing according to there guide lines the results would have been skewed.

I refuse to talk up a product I believe is straight garbage, and was faced with only two options, lie or quit.

But no matter how you slice this topic you will recieve opinions, not facts. And we all know opinions are like tail holes we all have them some just stink worse than others.

Folding For The future
EG

[stinkas]

I count AT LEAST a half dozen times I have mentioned Stream in this thread.

Not to mention:

ATI's support of OpenCL through Stream and praising their open standards push:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...-review-4.html

ATI Eyefinity:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...-review-5.html


Discussions about their HD Audio and VIdeo initiatives as well:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...-review-6.html


Seriously, every major feature that BOTH NVIDIA and ATI have SHOULD be talked about. Which we and every other sensible website does...

Personally, I think Eyefinity and 3D Vision Surround are elitist solutions that cater to a very small part of the market. Should that stop me from talking about them? NO!

Well let's hope you can grab another couple of monitors someday so you can make better fully comprehensive conclusions about the products and features, as these features are important to readers as you previously said.

[stinkas]

But as to charlie go back through his articles and you will certainly see that he is biased against nvidia. I am not saying that theres no truth to his articles, but his information has proved unreliable and openly biased in the past. So therefore he gets treated like any know liar and gets ignored by me.

Yes of course it's obvious he doesn't like Nv, he doesn't hide the fact, but Very rarely has he been plain wrong about Fermi, he is usually pretty close to the mark...
However Nv has been caught telling barefaced porkies lot's of times! so is Nv on your ignore list also?

[JAWS]

hmm I guess it's simple:

Want me to believe your review?????? Show me a retail receipt!

[stinkas]

^^^
Hit nail on head...

[Shadov]

so your saying he should tell us all the features of Eyefinity and Stream because he's told us about all the features of CUDA and Physx

If someone mentions in a review features of ONE company product, then he is obliged to write about features of OTHER COMPANIES products as well.

Otherwise he is not professional and thats just pushing the reader in ONE DIRECTION.

[stinkas]

^^^
This guy get's it!

Edit:
Lol! I was responding to your first comment but posted at same time.

[TJ TRICHEESE]

no but the point is he has just mentioned the names, not the features

[Shadov]

no but the point is he has just mentioned the names, not the features

It just seems to me that NV is pushing reviewers to write about Cuda / PissX and some are just to glad to follow without mentioning Stream / Eyefinity.

Thats just not professional - no matter how hard someone tries to justify it.

[FoldingFanatic]

And the name for charlies site is just classic and explains most of what needs to be said about him. Semi-accurate. Hmm wonder where that comes from.

Nvidia and ATI are both on my poop list if you want me to be truthful. ATI because they have neglected to spend adequate time with Stanford and the Pande group getting F@H running well on there GPUs , thus forcing me to use nvidias GPUs (even if I didnt want too) And nvidia for making a GPU thats a better direct compute monster than a gaming GPU. Both have been caught with there pants down in the past and ended up looking foolish for not disclosing something.

Like it or not: Intel or AMD fan, or nvidia or ATI fan. Dosent matter we need these comapnies in the market, because if one went under the constant push forward would stop and the market would become stagnant with no reason to push the envelope.

Folding For The Future
EG

[stinkas]

@shadov
I even read one 5870 review (can't remember which one) and it had lack of cuda support listed in the 'cons' section of the conclusion with not even so much as a mention of stream.

[Etihtsarom]

most people dont care about opencl, physix, folding at home and direct compute... they want cool explosions and things blowing up and boobs jumping around realistically... .

Sigged.

[stinkas]

And the name for charlies site is just classic and explains most of what needs to be said about him. Semi-accurate. Hmm wonder where that comes from.

Nvidia and ATI are both on my poop list if you want me to be truthful. ATI because they have neglected to spend adequate time with Stanford and the Pande group getting F@H running well on there GPUs , thus forcing me to use nvidias GPUs (even if I didnt want too) And nvidia for making a GPU thats a better direct compute monster than a gaming GPU. Both have been caught with there pants down in the past and ended up looking foolish for not disclosing something.

Like it or not: Intel or AMD fan, or nvidia or ATI fan. Dosent matter we need these comapnies in the market, because if one went under the constant push forward would stop and the market would become stagnant with no reason to push the envelope.

Folding For The Future
EG

Yeh I can agree with most of the above, but the point I'm trying to make, is Nv have consistently taken sleaze to a whole new level, and I'm not about to sit back and say nothing let alone buy one of their products.

[FoldingFanatic]

Thats just my humble opinion. Dont get me wrong I never want to argue on any forum. But a good debate stimulates the mind.

And I am glad you see where I am coming from. I am sorry if I came across wrong, but thats just my 2 cents. So take it for what its worth.

Folding For The Future
EG

[Russian]

I feel like the majority of what i'm reading here is purely based on assumptions of what has been stated by various sites. Lets also remember that many sites have had issues or do have issues getting cards from nvidia prior to launches and that quite a few of them hard a serious grudge against the company regardless of their good or bad policies. My point of view is that people within companies can mess up and it might not always be the company itself at fault. How do we know that they simply were dealing with a guy who was a PITA? I feel like the majority of this could have been handled privately rather than going out and posting about being "blacklisted." Lets remember, this isn't the first time a site has claimed to be blacklisted for one action or another... As for things like CUDA? Tbh... it depends on your readership and if you want your review to be comprehensive i feel that you need to cover every aspect of the product that is considered a feature and could set the product apart from the competition. To continue to grumble on and on about how bad nvidia as a company or how bad their products are is really point pointless and completely goes on a tangent from the real issue here. These guys believe they've been blacklisted and are now going on publicly stating why they THINK that has happened... Has anyone tried to contact upper management? For those who say Nvidia is a "sleazy" company... if you guys were reviewers you'd understand that whatever is being said about Nvidia is not an isolated case to just nvidia. There are plenty of companies who do everything within their power to recommend specific benchmarks and specific conditions to make sure that the review is favorable and even when there's nothing good to say about the product... some sites STILL find a way to make things rosy and award bull awards. If there's one thing i hate its all of these bull awards being given out for products that don't even deserve a mention. These awards heavily tie into the whole being blacklisted thing...

/rant

[SKYMTL]

It just seems to me that NV is pushing reviewers to write about Cuda / PissX and some are just to glad to follow without mentioning Stream / Eyefinity.

Yes, I know this will sound biased and I apologize in advance for telling the truth.

NVIDIA has made it a point to sink a lot of time, effort, development dollars AND marketing dollars into "Graphics Plus". No one can deny that. As such, there is quite a bit to talk about.

Eyefinity on the other hand is ATI's only "Graphics Plus" technology that has been actively released and supported. They TALK a lot about Stream and its compatibility with open standards but they don't really have concrete implementations to show for it. This isn't necessarily a knock against them but they are playing catch up in this field. They'll surely catch up at some point but right now all they really have is PowerPoint shows for Havok, Pixeluxx, etc and a cobbled-together video converter.

So naturally there are many more talking points for NVIDIA's features but this shouldn't be confused with a bias in any way.

[BenchZowner]

hmm I guess it's simple:

Want me to believe your review?????? Show me a retail receipt!

Receiving a free review sample doesn't make the reviewer a dishonest person.
You just need the b*lls to be absolutely honest in your review.
Unfortunately only a very limited few have what it takes & do so however.

[MpG]

hmm I guess it's simple:

Want me to believe your review?????? Show me a retail receipt!

Because the only possible way to be compensated/bribed is with free review samples.

[Carfax]

It's good to see honest like reviewers like SKYMTL set the record straight.

All too often on this forum, the general anti Nvidia sentiment causes people to come to premature conclusions without examining all the facts..

[stinkas]

Because the only possible way to be compensated/bribed is with free review samples.

So it seems with Nv at least...

[BobyTT]

Just another cr@ppy article of hater on salary of AMD, the looser hate NV in his guts. So no wonder he writes like this.

[ToxAvenger]

Give it a break. Seriously. Every post I have made here is an effort to shed additional light on the situation. The fact of the matter is that it has become the flavor of the year to bash NV and anyone who tries to talk facts has exactly what you posted above said to them. Nice try though, I've heard it all.

Nvidia has brought it all on themselves. The vast majority of people do not bash Nvidia just for the sake of bashing them, Nvidia is largely to blame for the negativity surrounding them.

[BenchZowner]

So it seems with Nv at least...

That's coming from your experience I guess ?

Because the truth is most manufacturers try to "step on the small websites toes", sometimes try to "hard on" the big ones ( softly & gently and then backing up if the website insists like they should ).

They can afford to lose a small site ( that's gonna bite them in the a*s if they grow up and go big afterward though ), but with the big names they just toss the not so hungry dog a bone that usually comes back like a boomerang.

Unethical tactics ? For sure.
But that's life unfortunately, the big fish eats the small fish.

[stinkas]

It's good to see honest like reviewers like SKYMTL set the record straight.

I truly hope he is as you say. The thing is due to all of Nv's recent underhanded actions (too many to be bothered to list) it makes it hard for anyone to:
a) Defend Nv
b) Believe anyone who is defending Nv

In my opinion Nv is just no longer defend-able. If there wasn't so many separate instances of potential Nv sleaze then I wouldn't be quite so judgemental and could give them the benefit of the doubt on a few occasions, but anyone who can put 2 & 2 together knows the score as far as Nv is concerned. And I'm someone who used to only buy Nv!

All too often on this forum, the general anti Nvidia sentiment causes people to come to premature conclusions without examining all the facts..

Just lately it seem where Nv is concerned, it's always the same story. Maybe one day Nv will get the blame for something it hasn't done, but that day will be the exception rather than the rule...

[SKYMTL]

So it seems with Nv at least...

Says who? Charlie?