Dumo's MSI 890FX GD70

[Manicdan]

wow so how does 1 core reach 4.8ghz, while on water keeping the same temps, 6 cores cant reach it?
is it from vdroop or just the power of the motherboard not being able to provide all that energy?

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wow so how does 1 core reach 4.8ghz, while on water keeping the same temps, 6 cores cant reach it?
is it from vdroop or just the power of the motherboard not being able to provide all that energy?

It's partly due to taking stress of the chip and also the fact that most chips do not have balanced cores. Yet to find a chip that does identical speeds across all cores at the same voltage.

[Leeghoofd]

MSI still slacker than Asus and GB in 2D then Brian ?

[[XC] Oj101]

Holy Batman dude, what's your maximum Prime on six cores with air cooling? 4.4GHz?

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MSI still slacker than Asus and GB in 2D then Brian ?

Yah easily, I would say 3400 NB on msi = to 3000-3200 on asus/giga.

Probably a 100mhz discrepancy PP wise for core clocks to.

Should be a validation monster and likely decent in 3d like previous board if they didn't cut corners from previous boards PCI E bandwidth.

Doubt average users will notice any diff but benchers will in 2d.

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Holy Batman dude, what's your maximum Prime on six cores with air cooling? 4.4GHz?

well multi core currently is weaksauce, could be this chip though. If issues persist I will swap to a more balanced core chip to see if it makes a diff.

I was dissapointed iirc 4200 failed wprime 1024m.

[chew*]

wow so how does 1 core reach 4.8ghz, while on water keeping the same temps, 6 cores cant reach it?

Not quite sure I understand that question. Why doesn't your chip do it or why doesn't my chip do it?

If why doesn't my chip the answer is simple I have more than 1. 1 can't do high single core but is stable across all cores.

Another can't do stable across cores but has 2 really good cores.

I just described 2 out of 5.

Also many times i'm lazy or tend to be more skimpy with volts. I know the degradation points on air. Over 1.475 is degrade territory.

Killing a good ln2 chip on air is painfull and somewhat stupidity......killing it going for a result on ln2 is far less painfull.

[snoro]

So the msi is the best for 3d benching or asus and gigabyte are better? Currently looking to get into 3d benching

[BeepBeep2]

I'd say from what I've seen that the Crosshair 4 Formula is the best all around and that includes 3D.

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So the msi is the best for 3d benching or asus and gigabyte are better? Currently looking to get into 3d benching

Not sure yet. Eventually I will get around to a 3d shootout with all 3 boards but likely not with dumo's. I'd like to compare on mature bios's across all boards.

I'd say from what I've seen that the Crosshair 4 Formula is the best all around and that includes 3D.

Seeing as no one has seen the MSI yet......not sure how you could draw that conclusion?

The particular board your currently using is an excellent 3d03 board for instance.

It beat the ASUS 890GX with 2x 4850's and got top 10 at min on bot with a cpu on phase and cards on air. http://hwbot.org/community/submissio...0_102317_marks

The ASUS 890GX however traded blows and won in 3d05......

There is no such thing as a perfect board. Only a perfect board for a specific app "target" if you will.

[BeepBeep2]

Not sure yet. Eventually I will get around to a 3d shootout with all 3 boards but likely not with dumo's. I'd like to compare on mature bios's across all boards.



Seeing as no one has seen the MSI yet......not sure how you could draw that conclusion?

The particular board your currently using is an excellent 3d03 board for instance.

It beat the ASUS 890GX with 2x 4850's and got top 10 at min on bot with a cpu on phase and cards on air. http://hwbot.org/community/submissio...0_102317_marks

The ASUS 890GX however traded blows and won in 3d05......

There is no such thing as a perfect board. Only a perfect board for a specific app "target" if you will.

That's why I said "from what I've seen so far..."

The MSI looks itself to be a solid board...just nobody has really tested it much.

And thanks for the insight and I'm looking forward to your results.

[[XC] Oj101]

The MSI 890FXA-GD70 is a nice all round board but it lacks in NB clocking.

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The MSI 890FXA-GD70 is a nice all round board but it lacks in NB clocking.

3400 on air lack nb clocking? Lacks from NB performance but not clocking.

[[XC] Oj101]

A friend of mine is reviewing a few boards, with the same CPU the Crosshair 4 Formula and Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD7 did 200MHz more NB than the MSI 890FXA-GD70.

I'm torn between the two (this one and the Gigabyte), please swing me in a direction. The Gigabyte looks like the much nicer board but I'd have to import, which poses a problem should I need to return it under warranty.

[Yancey]

I am are in the same boat!! I am torn between the ASUS and the GIGABYTE. The MSI is having a few to many issues. I wont a good stable platform that will run about 3.8ghz 24/7 on air without any problems...

[Daveburt714]

chew*: I have to say you never cease to amaze me bro...

I have some OC skills, but you do in days what it takes me months to come up with, and even then I never quite reach the hieghts you achieve!

It looks to me like the MSI board has alot of potential....
In a way I wish I wouldn't have been so impatient an gone for the CH4F so quickly (always been an MSI fan anyway)...

It may just be my board, but the more I've tested it the HTRef still seems to be a serious problem, and maxes out around 285 HTRef.

I'm limited to a locked 1055, so HTRef plays a big factor, and that limit on my particular board plays a pretty big part in what I can achieve...

I know you put alot more time in on this stuff than I do bud, and it shows!

Just wanted to offer you props!...

You definetly have GURU status in my book!

Dave...

[Zeus]

Dave, i can hardly believe you're regretting your CIVF over an MSI board. There must be something to your ht problems, i'm getting 330 without trying. Pretty sure later bios' will solve ht related problems like yours.

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Dave, i can hardly believe you're regretting your CIVF over an MSI board. There must be something to your ht problems, i'm getting 330 without trying. Pretty sure later bios' will solve ht related problems like yours.

It's likely tied into memory. I tried 2/1 ratio on this board to. It's also not liking much over 350.

[Zeus]

Yeah i was thinking something along those lines. Maybe the 3:10 divider will work better?

[chew*]

A friend of mine is reviewing a few boards, with the same CPU the Crosshair 4 Formula and Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD7 did 200MHz more NB than the MSI 890FXA-GD70.

I'm torn between the two (this one and the Gigabyte), please swing me in a direction. The Gigabyte looks like the much nicer board but I'd have to import, which poses a problem should I need to return it under warranty.

TBH I can not without shoooting myself in foot reccomend any brand or model board over another.

Have to understand that i play on delicate ground here.

Most hardware backed guys are "brand loyal"

I choose to remain neutral so as to help all endusers out.

Not many can get away with testing/reporting on any brand they like unless it's a review site or out of pocket.

What I can do is show results and point out potential issues so you can make the best decision that suits your needs.

Yeah i was thinking something along those lines. Maybe the 3:10 divider will work better?

Yes it does and will.....my issue with this is this caters more to those with "uber" ram however.

This is why I am pushing the manufacturers hard to get 2/1 ratio working, so that the mainstream guys are not left in the dust with locked chips.

Thus my post with 445 HT, I was told that the chips can't do it which is why it's not a concern. Seems to me they do it just fine

[Yancey]

Thanks chew I do understand what you are talking about. All of us guy wont you to put a finger on the right choice buy I know you can't.. Thanks for all the testing you do so we can make the right discussion..

[[XC] Oj101]

TBH I can not without shoooting myself in foot reccomend any brand or model board over another.

Have to understand that i play on delicate ground here.

Most hardware backed guys are "brand loyal"

I choose to remain neutral so as to help all endusers out.

Not many can get away with testing/reporting on any brand they like unless it's a review site or out of pocket.

What I can do is show results and point out potential issues so you can make the best decision that suits your needs.



Yes it does and will.....my issue with this is this caters more to those with "uber" ram however.

This is why I am pushing the manufacturers hard to get 2/1 ratio working, so that the mainstream guys are not left in the dust with locked chips.

Thus my post with 445 HT, I was told that the chips can't do it which is why it's not a concern. Seems to me they do it just fine

I have no brand loyalty whatsoever after DFI stopped being the king they were. The only thing I won't buy in a hurry is another Asus board, as the CH4F is over $130 more than any other board locally.

[snoro]

TBH I can not without shoooting myself in foot reccomend any brand or model board over another.

Have to understand that i play on delicate ground here.

Most hardware backed guys are "brand loyal"

I choose to remain neutral so as to help all endusers out.

Not many can get away with testing/reporting on any brand they like unless it's a review site or out of pocket.

What I can do is show results and point out potential issues so you can make the best decision that suits your needs.

So best thing to do is get the motherboard i want based on what i need for features, pcie slot order and other stuff like that and then try out the effiency in every benchmark,find the one with the best effiency and have fun with it ?

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So best thing to do is get the motherboard i want based on what i need for features, pcie slot order and other stuff like that and then try out the effiency in every benchmark,find the one with the best effiency and have fun with it ?

thats one way to look at it

[[XC] Oj101]

Ok, let me put it this way. It has come down to the MSI GD-70 and Gigabyte UD7 fitting my needs fine, what I want to know is does either have strange niggles like the Crosshair 4's floating HT speed? Does one have higher quality components than the other? Which has the better OC profiles? There are so few decent reviews out at the moment, and even if there were I don't want a review - I want an answer from someone who has actually USED the board properly.