PhenomMsrTweaker: Cool and Quiet customized

[richierich]

Well until Gigabyte fixes Cool 'N Quiet on my board I won't be able to test it with my 1st system.

[kink]

Why not? I think you can also disable C&Q under Windows by editing the power scheme (set CPU min and max speed to 100%).

[richierich]

Don't have that option in Windows.

[kink]

They are only available if C&Q is enabled in BIOS. What's the problem then, the same as particle reported about? C&Q still active even if disabling it in BIOS?

[richierich]

Yep Gigabyte hasn't totally disabled Cool 'N? Quiet on most of their mobos for Thubans yet. Hurry up already.

[kink]

So have you tried to enable it in BIOS and then restrict the speed to 100%? In case that also doesn't work, I could hack a special version of the tweaker which restricts the allowed P-states to P0 only (if at least the Turbo can be properly disabled, that is ).

[Manicdan]

yeah CnQ is windows dependent, just modify your power profile to be a minimum of 100%, and your locked in at max speed (not sure if this isnt true for Thuban)

[charged3800z24]

Just and FYI - On my MA790FXT-UD5P, regaurdless of power options (set to high performance in Win 7) it still throttle as if CnQ was on even though it was off in the bios. I will check the 890GX again and see if this was the case on it as well.

[kink]

Please read more carefully: we already know that C&Q isn't properly disabled if you choose to disable it in BIOS (for these Gigabyte boards, another user on another forum mentions strange behavior on a Asus M3N-HT Deluxe as well). It'd be interesting to know if C&Q gets disabled by ENABLING it in BIOS and then restricting the CPU's speed to 100% in the Windows power options (for your currently active power scheme).

[richierich]

Please read more carefully: we already know that C&Q isn't properly disabled if you choose to disable it in BIOS (for these Gigabyte boards, another user on another forum mentions strange behavior on a Asus M3N-HT Deluxe as well). It'd be interesting to know if C&Q gets disabled by ENABLING it in BIOS and then restricting the CPU's speed to 100% in the Windows power options (for your currently active power scheme).

Tried that in high performance, CNQ is still overriding Windows setting. Gigabyte problem.

[kink]

Okay thx for the report. You could still try to customize all P-states to the same settings, so that C&Q still switches between the states, but since they are identical, there'd be no actual change. Custom C&Q cannot be used obviously. But by testing that, you could confirm whether the 16.5 multi works in non-P0 states.

[richierich]

Tried switching all multi to 16.5x in all p-states, hit apply, no go on my 2nd system. They all revert back to stock multis.

[kink]

Thx again. I assume the Turbo is locked then (there's a CPU-dependent lock regarding the number of boosted states (1) and the number of idle cores for the Turbo to kick in (3 for hexacores)). It's probably unlocked for Black-Edition CPUs. So I cannot temporarily set the number of boosted states to 0 to circumvent the multi-lock for non-P0 states. If the "Turbo cores" setting in the service dialog is grayed out, the Turbo is either not supported or locked.

[richierich]

kink, thanks for updating PhenomMsrTweaker.

[Manicdan]

so a 1090T would let you set up to 6 boosted cores? if so thats another reason why that chip is so great

[kink]

Nope, at least one core needs to idle. But of course you can "boost" all 6 cores - by simply disabling the Turbo and using the Turbo settings (or optimized ones) in P0. Simple as pie.

/edit: richierich, did you not perform the Turbo-multi-test with the latest version?

[kink]

New version out - v2.0.3. Some minor changes, e.g., the Turbo cores setting is now independent from custom C&Q (since the Turbo doesn't work with custom C&Q anyway).

[Daveburt714]

kink: Thanks for all your hard work man! Very user friendly (as usual )

It could just be a quirk with CPU-z, or it could be that the new MsrTweaker is tuned for Thuban cores...
The multi's seem to work fine, but according to CPU-z my volatage isn't being adjusted with a 965(C3).

I'll DL the new version and see if it helps (could very well just be a quirk with CPU-z, haven't tested it with a Meter yet)....

I'm going to pick up a 1055 this weekend and I'll be sure to try your software on it!

Reguardless... Your the man!
I'm sure I'm not the only one who appriciates all your hard work and support!

[kink]

Hey Dave (I assume ),

thx for your feedback. It's words like these that keep PhenomMsrTweaker going.
It's not optimized for Thuban since I have to rely on other users to test it on Thuban, I still have my X4 9950. Everything works as expected on my system, so it may really be a CPU-Z problem. You could also use Overdrive or Core Temp. In any case, when you apply the settings in the main window, the settings in the GUI are automatically refreshed so that you should immediately notice any unexpected behavior.

[RaV[666]]

Hi Kink and thanx for supporting this excellent proggy!
I have a problem tho, i was using phenommsr before, but for some time i was using K10Stat, however it freezes my system from time to time and i havent been able to fix that so back to phenommsr on new version .
However after installing it (XP x64 SP2) i cant get it to run.

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PhenomMsrTweaker exception
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Value of '1,55' is not valid for 'Value'. 'Value' should be between 'Minimum' and 'Maximum'.

Parameter name: Value

at System.Windows.Forms.NumericUpDown.set_Value(Decim al value)

at PhenomMsrTweaker.PStateControl.LoadFromHardware()

at PhenomMsrTweaker.Form1..ctor()

at PhenomMsrTweaker.Program.Main()
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OK
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Any ideas anyone ?

Oh, and about using turbo multipliers, it SHOULD be possible, one user here with a 1035T and some beta bios was able to set Trubo multis for all cores with turbo disabled.

[kink]

I think I know the cause of this exception. If a P-state is not initialized by your BIOS (such as probably your P4 state), its corresponding register may be set to 0, leading to 4x multi @ max voltages (1.55V). For safety, I check the voltage limits of your CPU (you cannot select higher or lower voltages in the controls), so it seems like your voltage is restricted to something less than 1.55V. So your P4 state is not valid, hence the exception.
What you can do to circumvent this is using the service to first set P4 to valid settings, then you will be able to start the GUI and configure everything. So navigate to HKLM\Software\PhenomMsrTweaker in the registry and create a string value named 'P4'. The string itself consists in 4 (or your number of cores) 32bit hex values separated by '|', e.g.. '38005840|38005840|38005840|38005840' (these here set the multis to 4x, CPU VID to 1V and NB VID to 1.2V, so they should be safe). Now open the list of services and restart the PhenomMsrTweaker service. This should apply P4's settings, after which you should be able to start the GUI.

[charged3800z24]

Yes, you can set the CPU manually to the max multi that the Turbo can use. So if your chip has a default 14x and turbo is up to 16.5, then you can set ther CPU up to this 16.5.

Turbo itself is very handy also, here is a screen shot to show what I mean.

CPU is running 3.6ghz,
NB 2400
HT 2400
HT Ref 300
RAM 1600 8.8.8 24
Can you guess the turbo speed?

[RaV[666]]

From what i know Turbo multi isnt settable on anything below 1090T so i guess 5ghz :P .
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Kink, i fondled a bit phenommsr, coolnquiet and my power profiles.
Firstly i will say that this 910 chip with this foxconn behaves a bit odd im not sure bios understands this cpu correctly(it boots 2ghz Nb and on AM2+ it should boot 1800 as one thing)
Second, when i set home/desk (default) power profile in windows, coolNQuiet doesnt work at all, i have to set laptop.
And i think you are right about something wrong with P4, it doesnt seem to work at all.
I didnt noticed at first but even as phenommsr gives an error, if i dont click "ok" in error window, phenomsr works ,and if i set P4 voltage below P3 it starts to work properly (sort of).It would be nice if there was a command option to disable maybe this P4 checking before program starts ?
I tried the trick you suggested, opened regedit found correct string, added P4 ,modified it with a string you supplied ,rebooted even, but error persists :/.
All in all P4 doesnt work ,it never gets that low even when i manually fix this error problem (have to do it on each reboot).
Im a bit tired today so i will investigate further tomorrow ;-)

[kink]

Oh well, C&Q is pretty crappy on Windows XP, based on my experiences with Phenom I and other users' reports including the Phenom II. Standard C&Q should clock the cores individually, which leads to a notable performance decrease. If this still holds, you're most likely better of by replacing the standard C&Q with the custom one, which also handles P4 then appropriately if you wish to. Feel free to perform some benches comparing standard C&Q with some custom C&Q settings and let us know.

[charged3800z24]

From what i know Turbo multi isnt settable on anything below 1090T so i guess 5ghz :P .

Turbo is 4.35ghz on 3 cores. And yes, you can change turbo on 1055t up to 16.5.

Oh well, C&Q is pretty crappy on Windows XP, based on my experiences with Phenom I and other users' reports including the Phenom II. Standard C&Q should clock the cores individually, which leads to a notable performance decrease. If this still holds, you're most likely better of by replacing the standard C&Q with the custom one, which also handles P4 then appropriately if you wish to. Feel free to perform some benches comparing standard C&Q with some custom C&Q settings and let us know.

So, if I use Turbo in MSRTweaker, do I need CnQ on in bios? If so, does CnQ need turned off only for the custom CnQ option? Was going to try some testing with turbo and wanted to make sure I have the config right.