"cmaier: On paper bulldozer........................I don't know any of the people currently working on bobcat, but given the price it is likely to sell for, it's not going to make AMD a lot of money (and it will be competing not only against Intel, but against numerous ARM variations). "

Ya just like Atom did noting for Intel.

The thing is people who work for say Intel/AMD are not all fanboys of the company they work for. If you know what is going on and how they do what they do you may have a problem with their methods be it AMD or Intel.

I wanted to stress one thing about bulldozer it is a CMT and intels next chip will be SMT based now the real deciding matter is the size and performance "single bulldozer module vs high-end sandy bridge "6/8c" single core"