Nvidia misses GTX470/480 launch targets

[Mungri]

The difference is volt changes in the GPU are not as easy to do. With some models that have the software added its easy(but these tend to be more expensive) but for the most part people don't want to do a bios videocard flash, so they can use other models software.

They are very easy to do using MSI afterburner, you dont need to flash your bios. If you have a HD 5000 series card based on the reference design, it will work on any card with any bios.

[Chickenfeed]

Yeah, my card had that too but rerunning the bench a second time fixed it

Yeah I confirmed this myself, it seems a good 3 runs in a row are needed to ensure a predictable result, the first 1 is a wash ( I should know better though as averaging is a good benchmarking practice )

I'm still awaiting to see what prices settle at here in Canada when stock arrives. Right now preorder prices seem to be at 379/549 respectively for the 470/480. I just hesistent to change anything until I know the fate of my 4870x2 RMA ( still have my fingers crossed for a 2nd 5870 but HIS treat Canadians like members of the national socialist party... ) Theres a big shortage on 470 SLI reviews but I'd love to see what a pair of them does on water.

[japamd]

Yeah, you're right, what a lazy dude I'm ....



@goldentiger, did you already ran Dirt 2 benchmark at 1920x1200 AA 8x Ultra High?

[Chickenfeed]

After reading HardwareCanucks 470SLI review, the idea isn't as appealing now. What Im dissapointed in is the fact the 8x AA numbers aren't better given this it is a practicle IQ level when using multi gpu configs ( have to do *something* with all that power ehh? ) In fairness overclocking wasn't in the picture however that still won't change the fact that the 5850s are a better bet. Single card though, the 470 still looks appealing, I just hope availability / distribution will pick up soon enough for it to be relavent.

[GoldenTiger]

@goldentiger, did you already ran Dirt 2 benchmark at 1920x1200 AA 8x Ultra High?

No, I have these results but I will go run it at those settings:

2560x1600, Ultra High preset in-game, Dirt 2 on GTX 470 OC'd

No AA:


2x AA:

[GoldenTiger]

Here's the 8x MSAA result @ 1920x1200, Ultra High:



Ran twice like the others to make sure results were even.

EDIT: Comparing to http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...-480-review/21 I'm wondering why my results are so much lower... hmmmm...

EDIT2: Hm, I apparrently left multisampling transparency on for those runs, but still... gonna check into this.

[japamd]

Here's the 8x MSAA result @ 1920x1200, Ultra High:

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Cheers!! But that result is a little weird, it's much lower than 5870 stock can do.

Do you have AF 16x forced at driver?

[GoldenTiger]

Cheers!! But that result is a little weird, it's much lower than 5870 stock can do.

Do you have AF 16x forced at driver?

Yeah, I had 16x AF and transparency AA left on for that run (didn't realize the transparency was on, did know the AF was on though). Setting it all to application-controlled and re-doing it now.

[Eastcoasthandle]

Do benchmark results between quality and high quality texture filtering for Dirt 2.

[GoldenTiger]

Do benchmark results between quality and high quality texture filtering for Dirt 2.

I'll turn on High Quality and post back... all results are with "Quality" only above.

RE: the above result: I tried it twice again with the settings to Application-Controlled and had virtually the same result (1fps different)... thinking this newer driver version doesn't do well in Dirt 2 whereas the beta ones the reviewers used did?

[Eastcoasthandle]

I'll turn on High Quality and post back... all results are with "Quality" only above.

RE: the above result: I tried it twice again with the settings to Application-Controlled and had virtually the same result (1fps different)... thinking this newer driver version doesn't do well in Dirt 2 whereas the beta ones the reviewers used did?

That driver could be optimized for certain games and may lack a profile for Dirt 2. Not sure why it wasn't carried over to the newer drivers. It was said that demo for Dirt 2 was used but that's another quagmire.

[GoldenTiger]

Eastcoasthandle, that had an interesting effect on the framerate:



Also worthy of note is that the application profile setting tab in the nV control panel has no Dirt 2 listing (something like Dirt Track Racing 2 is the only thing there with no exe specified like the others) when you go into it. I'm guessing it's missing a proper profile... EDIT: It is listed under Colin McRae Dirt 2, found it... still, hopefully another driver release will fix it up shortly.

[Eastcoasthandle]

Is that the same settings as before? AF/TrAA/ etc?

[GoldenTiger]

Is that the same settings as before? AF/TrAA/ etc?

Yes.

[Eastcoasthandle]

Yes.

Then it appears that those drivers are borked for that game.

[TurboDiv]

Hey guys i was just wondering is there someone here with MSI GTX480 ? I'm getting one by the end of this week and i was wondering if someone tested their MSI afterburner overvoltage GPU option ? Is it real ?

[cowie]

afterburner does not work for voltage on the 480 yet...maybe soon very soon

[TurboDiv]

It says on the box of the card Overvoltage:

Over voltage function of GPU
- Supports over voltage function of GPU by Afterburner, and performance can be up to 15%!

LINK

[Eastcoasthandle]

I wonder if there is some sort of throttle control. GT, have you tried running the 470 at stock frequencies to see if performance improves?

[SKYMTL]

Use FRAPS in the in-game benchmark. The results given in the Test Summary screen are not accurate.

[GoldenTiger]

I wonder if there is some sort of throttle control. GT, have you tried running the 470 at stock frequencies to see if performance improves?

No, I haven't... but I'm going to try it right now for a minute on a quick run.

Use FRAPS in the in-game benchmark. The results given in the Test Summary screen are not accurate.

I had FRAPS running, not logging but running, it seemed to be a little off but not drastically. I'll log with FRAPS and compare, later tonight probably... you would certainly know .

EDIT: Just did a single run, leaving everything untouched from the prior run, and it is running worse by quite a bit at stock clocks, watching FRAPS' framerate as it did the run. So, I don't think it's hitting throttling, at least... I didn't log with FRAPS any of these times but I was watching it most of the bench.

[Eastcoasthandle]

Post a pic of it.

[LordEC911]

The mention of asking Nvidia about the TDP is interesting but they are in fact right. TDP is not max power draw like people seem to think. That said though obviously Nvidia took a liberty testing as they did as it turned out to be misleading ( ie AMDs TDP claim is more grounded in reality ) It was a PR move if you ask me. 250watt looks better marketing wise than the more realistic 300watt when comparing to the 5970/295.

Uhoh... So basically Nvidia agrees with what I was saying about Furmark and OCCT back when Green fans were, to put it nicely, complaining about the HD4800 series high power consumption in aforementioned power virus apps.

Good times.

[Chickenfeed]

Eastcoasthandle, that had an interesting effect on the framerate:

Also worthy of note is that the application profile setting tab in the nV control panel has no Dirt 2 listing (something like Dirt Track Racing 2 is the only thing there with no exe specified like the others) when you go into it. I'm guessing it's missing a proper profile... EDIT: It is listed under Colin McRae Dirt 2, found it... still, hopefully another driver release will fix it up shortly.

Yeah something is most certainly amiss there, even though the in game bench isn't the most consistent, the numbers don't sway by that much. With the same settings Im getting 58min 67avg (5900 something frames if i recall) and with that overclock you got going I'd guess you should be getting within 10% or so of that. On the topic of the Guru3d numbers, they are using a desert map, not the time demo map so its not directly comparable, don't you just love custom time demos... ( the desert maps are considered best case as they run better than others )

On my older W7 install ( the one I used when the game launched ) it did some bizzare things ( performance randomlly halving and thats without Vsync... ) but it seems they ( codemasters / ati ) have fixed that since then.

A friend of mine has 2 480s on order in Canada so Im curious to see when he will actually recieve them. Eddy said the blocks should start shipping for the 4xx series starting next week so I'm looking forwards to seeing what they do on water for people who manage to snag both.

[STEvil]

Get a screenshot of Dirt2.exe vs whatever you're renaming it to.