HP announces new displays (ZR22w, ZR24w)

[Funky]

Dell U2410 has around 500:1 contrast ratio...

Its 1000:1 typical and not 500:1.
80,000:1 Dynamic which is over rated.

[zalbard]

Its 1000:1 typical and not 500:1.
80,000:1 Dynamic which is over rated.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2410.htm

[XSAlliN]

Its 1000:1 typical and not 500:1.
80,000:1 Dynamic which is over rated.

He was talking about practice, not marketing... Most LCD specification are not worth taking in consideration when it comes to practice:

Contrast Ratio: 1000 to 1 (typical - as in BS) - typical in certain situations, yet those values are far from the truth in practice, tested with proper equipment.

Brightness: 400 cd/m2 (typical) - same as with contrast.

Dynamic Contrast Ratio: 80,000:1 - as in hype hyper BS, the fact that can get a very high value in a rare situation, isn't worth mentioning, yet they do it for hype.

178º vertical / 178º horizontal - even more BS, the image looks like poo from those viewing angles yet it's stil visible and they took that as a specification, when in reality not even half of those values don't really count.


Response Time: 6ms (gray to gray) Typical - again with the "Typical" part... you might that this is a "dynamic response time" since only rarely shows this value, but they mention it as if it's something worth taking in consideration. Beyond that we have the On/Off and B/W response time which on some LCD's gets has high as 90 ms...

[mursaat]

16:10 is non native for video which 99% use today and it's the same for working actually or worse because humans naturally look left and right instead of up and down so more wider is always better for visual perception . There is no 16:10 use outside of these of these monitors, at least it's not 4:3

Sorry to correct you, but a big portion of today's movies (dunno the numbers) are 1.85:1, hence you still get big black bars in 16:9 monitors. TV Shows OTOH are 16:9, but you only notice the bars the first 2 seconds.

Worse part in my 24" Benq G2400W is the black bars "tilt" when using my PS3, but still you notice it only if you look there > almost never.

So, I still prefer 16:10 for desktop, you get fairly more screen estate.

[Earzz]

Since a few days i own a ZR24w, i almost bought a U2410 but after reading the ZR24w thread @ [H] i thought it was wise to just go for this monitor even while it doesnt look that nice as a U2410.
My first impression is very good but the black levels arent that good comparing it with my good old Dell 2007WFP.
Saying that i also cant get the white levels the same, its more yellow then white on my 2007WFP but thats the because its so damn old i think.
Brightness is on almost on a minimum with my ZR24w en on max with my 2007WFP, maybe i can get them a bit closer together with some calibration hardware but i dont think ill keep this 2007WFP in this setup.
Single monitor is more then enough for my

[YukonTrooper]

Since a few days i own a ZR24w, i almost bought a U2410 but after reading the ZR24w thread @ [H] i thought it was wise to just go for this monitor even while it doesnt look that nice as a U2410.
My first impression is very good but the black levels arent that good comparing it with my good old Dell 2007WFP.
Saying that i also cant get the white levels the same, its more yellow then white on my 2007WFP but thats the because its so damn old i think.
Brightness is on almost on a minimum with my ZR24w en on max with my 2007WFP, maybe i can get them a bit closer together with some calibration hardware but i dont think ill keep this 2007WFP in this setup.
Single monitor is more then enough for my

If you're going to buy a monitor with an IPS panel, you really should do it justice with a calibration meter. Heck, even if you don't do any photo work and all you have is a TN monitor, a hardware calibration will still be a night and day difference. I can't even keep my meter away from my laptops.

[iddqd]

my 6-year old laptop has an IPS panel... so I've been spoiled rotten. Probably going to dump this 25.5" TN for the ZR24w

[Earzz]

If you're going to buy a monitor with an IPS panel, you really should do it justice with a calibration meter. Heck, even if you don't do any photo work and all you have is a TN monitor, a hardware calibration will still be a night and day difference. I can't even keep my meter away from my laptops.

Do you have any suggestions for a calibration meter for a nub like me?
Spyder3 Express, Pro or Elite? Or should i look for a different brand?

Edit: Ah just found out that the Spyder3 Express doesnt support multiple monitors.

[Soulburner]

my 6-year old laptop has an IPS panel... so I've been spoiled rotten. Probably going to dump this 25.5" TN for the ZR24w

Now that's rare. Normally they use TN panels in notebooks due to their lower power consumption for better battery life and less heat.

[YukonTrooper]

Do you have any suggestions for a calibration meter for a nub like me?
Spyder3 Express, Pro or Elite? Or should i look for a different brand?

Edit: Ah just found out that the Spyder3 Express doesnt support multiple monitors.

I had a Spyder2Pro in the past but it had a red shift in the white balance precision. The Spyder3 is supposed to be a lot better, but their meters are known to be less accurate than others. I now have an X-Rite Eye-One Display LT that is spot on. The LT's luminance measurements are also good down to around 0.004ftL, which is even better than it's more expensive brother. I've calibrated not only my monitors with the LT but my TC-P58S1 plasma as well. Why pay for a pro calibration when you can get great results with your own meter and learn along the way.

[iddqd]

Now that's rare. Normally they use TN panels in notebooks due to their lower power consumption for better battery life and less heat.

It was a double-edged sword. Sure, it's nice, but then I had to pay $350 to replace it when it died (probably from too much heat). $350 for a 15" display is pretty steep.

[Earzz]

I had a Spyder2Pro in the past but it had a red shift in the white balance precision. The Spyder3 is supposed to be a lot better, but their meters are known to be less accurate than others. I now have an X-Rite Eye-One Display LT that is spot on. The LT's luminance measurements are also good down to around 0.004ftL, which is even better than it's more expensive brother. I've calibrated not only my monitors with the LT but my TC-P58S1 plasma as well. Why pay for a pro calibration when you can get great results with your own meter and learn along the way.

Thanks YukonTrooper.
The X-Rite Eye-One Display LT wasnt in stock here in the Netherlands and if it was in stock somewhere it was to expensive, same for the X-Rite Eye-One Display 2 so i ordered the Spyder 3 Pro instead.
I can always use some other software if the Spyder software wont be good enough, i will post some pics as soon everything is done.

[iddqd]

welp, i got the zr24w, and it's pretty good.

never going back to TN now!

[Rock&Roll]

TFT Central Review is up: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_zr24w.htm

The moving car does show some ghosting. But, in my personal experience, turning on overdrive does help when it comes to FPS aiming.

[mursaat]

welp, i got the zr24w, and it's pretty good.

never going back to TN now!

How would you compare (totally personal opinion) the black levels and colours against TN?

I've rou read a lot of "bad blacks" in the reviews, but beign used to a Benq G2400W (TN), this couldn't be worse.

[XS2K]

S-IPS as a panel isn't as good at displaying black as a TN or S-PVA.

[iddqd]

How would you compare (totally personal opinion) the black levels and colours against TN?

I've rou read a lot of "bad blacks" in the reviews, but beign used to a Benq G2400W (TN), this couldn't be worse.

Blacks are a little brighter. I don't mind that much, though. At least it's not 6-bit.

[Darth_Penguin]

My monitor comes in today. Assuming I think its acceptable for gaming, 2 more will be ordered as the base for my eyefinity setup. I will post up my impressions of it tonight when I get home.

[KingOfsorroW]

I have this monitor for several weeks. I think it is the best monitor for gaming today. It is very fast - it may be very well compared to the vx922(which I still have) in terms of speed. The color reproduction is also very good, but it is not as sharp as some pro-models, like 2490wuxi2 or hp lp2475w for example (some details are not as "detailed"...). But for gaming, you hardly need more, unless you are very picky in image quality.
By the way - i read some complains about the black color - well on my display the blacks are more black than they were on the lp2475w model... The white glow is minimal. Probably less than on the mentionned lp2475w, but definitely not more than that.

[Nickel020]

I've got ZR24w side by side with a Hyundai W241D, and while the black level on the Hyundai is a little better on the Hyundai, it's definitely not "bad" on the HP. If you don't have another monitor there for a side by side comparison you probably won't notice it being a little worse than on a TN/PVA panel.

[YukonTrooper]

By the way - i read some complains about the black color - well on my display the blacks are more black than they were on the lp2475w model... The white glow is minimal. Probably less than on the mentionned lp2475w, but definitely not more than that.

Your settings must be off somewhere. The LP2475W has a much better contrast ratio. Remember, only calibrated settings should be considered when comparing contrast ratio.

[KingOfsorroW]

Your settings must be off somewhere. The LP2475W has a much better contrast ratio. Remember, only calibrated settings should be considered when comparing contrast ratio.

Sorry, man, I don't see any difference in blacks between the two monitors, other than the zr24w is more black... Both calibrated with Eye-one match 3 software and eye1 GM colorimeter.

oh, I forgot to mention - the red tint is definitely there